From ltierstein at earthlink.net Sun Apr 1 04:07:50 2012 From: ltierstein at earthlink.net (Leslie Tierstein) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:07:50 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Yak] NWT for touring? Message-ID: <17332498.1333278470764.JavaMail.root@elwamui-polski.atl.sa.earthlink.net> If I could only have one bike, and it was a NWT, I would be absolutely fine with touring on it. I have done bunches of tours on mine, self-contained. However, if I'm leaving from home to do a tour, I usually use my touring bike. Reasons: (1) Not the ride. But I am definitely *not* the Princess and the Pea when it comes to determining how a bike rides. The NWT does fine. Maybe a little bumpier over rough roads, but it's toured on packed limestone (NCR Rail-Trail in MD-PA) AND the C&O Canal Towpath (dirt and rocks, but luckily no recent rain) without any problems. (2) No top tube -- a minor annoyance. (3) Position of water bottles on the not-a-top-tube. Annoyance. I need to use a Camelbak all the time. (4) Tires wear out more quickly than on a bike with larger tires. (5) If you're paranoid, could be harder to replace the NWT tires/tubes on a tour to remote areas, but has never been an issue for me. I bring lots of extra tubes, and have never had to replace a tire. (6) Weirdness of shape makes the bike a little bit more difficult to lock securely. It needed a new lock, not a standard U-lock (for very secure locking) and a separate cable (for most locking while on tour. Leslie Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 12:03:19 -0700 From: Steve Davis To: Ken Preston Cc: Yak Subject: Re: [Yak] NWT for touring? Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks for those comments. Again, put aside the foldabiility, packability component. Im trying to get a comparison of "touring" bikes--not "travel bikes". I get the sense that at least some would prefer a "big wheel" touring bike or have experience with both for comparison purposes. It seems to me the NWT would suit my needs, but having never owned another touring bike, I don't know what I might be missing, if anything. Steve Davis From geoffreygee at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 07:45:25 2012 From: geoffreygee at yahoo.com (Geof Gee) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 07:45:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] SBC American Way bicycles In-Reply-To: <5b54b9738f899599ad8fbe1e873f477b.squirrel@email.powweb.com> References: <5b54b9738f899599ad8fbe1e873f477b.squirrel@email.powweb.com> Message-ID: <1333291525.29122.YahooMailNeo@web39404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Ahhhh ... St. Sheldon's Day. ?Three cheers for Captain Bike. ? -G ? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Growing up is a terribly hard thing to do. It is much easier to skip it and go from one childhood to another." F.S.F. >________________________________ > From: John S. Allen >To: yak at bikefriday.com >Sent: Sunday, April 1, 2012 12:56 AM >Subject: [Yak] SBC American Way bicycles > > >New! Exclusive! Now thanks to ShelBroCo, you can OWN the urban bicycle of your dreams! Take your stand for the American Way! > >_______________________________________________ >Yak mailing list >Yak at bikefriday.com >http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreygee at yahoo.com Sun Apr 1 08:40:50 2012 From: geoffreygee at yahoo.com (Geof Gee) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 08:40:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] Tires : availability of 20" versus ... what can fit? In-Reply-To: <201203312344.26963.ad182@freeelectron.net> References: <18602E0D-0D02-4014-9BF6-83DE08F7EA00@gmail.com> <1333230357.6614.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <201203312344.26963.ad182@freeelectron.net> Message-ID: <1333294850.24626.YahooMailNeo@web39401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Availability: I'm not clear what context you're talking about Al, but I can believe that ERTO 406 tires are easier to find than 700c. ?I've never ridden overseas but I'd imagine that 26" (559) and 20" (406) tires would be the most common. ?My rough metric is whether stores like Wal-Mart, Target or Dicks Sporting Goods carry them. ?Last I checked 406, 559, and 622 -- plus a few more kids sizes -- were available. ?But generally the tires there are low quality. ?While BMX is pretty popular and more folding bikes seem to be popping up, good 20" tires are still relatively scarce in most LBSs around here. ?It has been the case that SAG during organized events will have no 20" materials. ?Although with the number of folding tires available in 406, 559, and 622 now, it probably doesn't matter much.? It's one of the reasons I've stayed away from certain bikes like the Birdy (18" 355) or Airnimal (24" 507/520) or a Moulton with 17" (369) tires. ? ? What can fit? This has come up recently on the forum and people have pushed the limit to tires awfully close to 50 mm. ?A friend with a Dahon stopped by the other day and it looked like I could fit the Big Apples in my NWT ... built around 5 years ago. ?Although it was close enough that I imagine what rim you used would matter. ?I've gotten tires with a caliper measured width of 47 mm in there with no worries. ? ?? I'm not putting my miles on bikes nowadays. ?Otherwise I'd probably take a chance with some of the 20 x 1.90-1.95" BMX slick/street tire out there (http://www.danscomp.com/442007.php). ?You can find a bunch at a place like Dan's Comp which I've used to pick up short double butted spokes at ridiculously good prices; $0.40 a pop with nipples. ? -G =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Growing up is a terribly hard thing to do. It is much easier to skip it and go from one childhood to another." F.S.F. >________________________________ > From: al davis > > On Saturday 31 March 2012, Geof Gee wrote: >>? Finding quality ERTO 406 tires on the road might be >> difficult.? > >For emergency replacement, it's easier to find 406 tires than >622 (700c) or 630 (27").? In this way, only 559 (26" mountain >bike size) is better. > >I wish the NWT had more clearance.? Mine will accept only up to >1.75.? Maybe the new ones do.? Mine is 15 years old. >____ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fietsbob at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 09:08:44 2012 From: fietsbob at gmail.com (robert clark) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:08:44 -0700 Subject: [Yak] NWT for touring? Message-ID: Not the NWT, but the Pocket Llama, here .. in comparison with the 559-47 wheel the 406-47 Schwalbe marathon plus smaller mass feels lighter in the steering .. higher BB is only noted when I stop, have to lean the bike over more to put a foot down or stop by putting weight on the pedal and getting off the saddle Packing would benefit by specifying a centerlock front hub and disc. Spline and lockring rather than 6 bolt (several adapters or use shimano's disc) so removing the disc is easy.. On the Front, 20" wheel and 160 disc is relatively huge, so stopping is quick! From fietsbob at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 09:43:30 2012 From: fietsbob at gmail.com (robert clark) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 09:43:30 -0700 Subject: [Yak] NWT for touring? Message-ID: as well as a Pocket Llama, I have Koga Miyata WTR trekking bike.. for this discussion, my comparison is Load handling. the 10mm tubes of Tubus racks on the Koga fit the 3 hooks on the Ortlieb panniers more solidly , than the looser fit of smaller rack, with 8mm insert, Ortlieb supplies. When used on the front rack of the PL. Dont have the BF folding rear rack, but, I expect their rigidity is further sacrificed somewhat, for packability.. Bruce Gordon's racks are 10mm tube like Tubus. Rigid connection of the rack and the frame assist handling stability. From lbrown4100 at charter.net Sun Apr 1 12:14:55 2012 From: lbrown4100 at charter.net (Lew Brown) Date: Sun, 01 Apr 2012 15:14:55 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Bicycle computer suggestions? Message-ID: <4F78A92F.6010509@charter.net> Thanks everyone for bike pump suggestions! Based on suggestions, I've ordered the Topeak morph. Now I must decide whether it is worth investing in a trip computer for European travel. I have a Garmin CSX but it's too heavy. I want something light and compact that computes distance traveled and real-time speed. If I can also have a map to follow, so much the better. Does such a device exist, smaller and lighter weight than the Garmin, and if so, any recommendations? Thanks in advance, Lew From bwogilvie at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 13:47:57 2012 From: bwogilvie at gmail.com (Brian Ogilvie) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 22:47:57 +0200 Subject: [Yak] Bicycle computer suggestions? In-Reply-To: <4F78A92F.6010509@charter.net> References: <4F78A92F.6010509@charter.net> Message-ID: If you just want distance and speed, a basic computer should be fine once you calibrate it. I have used a Cateye Strada wireless computer on my NWT with no problem. It weighs almost nothing. If you want mapping, that's another matter. I don't know how much your Garmin CSX weighs. My Garmin Edge 800 weighs 3.5 oz. and offers good mapping. I use OpenStreetMap-based maps for my European travel, along with paper maps (because OSM is great, and free, but it doesn't have every road; even some secondary roads are missing. I'm doing my part to add missing roads after I ride them!). The Garmin Etrex series weigh a little more than my Edge (the new Etrex 20 and 30 weigh 5 oz., I think), and they don't offer as many cycling-specific functions, but they will give you speed, distance traveled, and mapping; they run on standard AA batteries; and they are a lot cheaper than the Edge 800. Brian On Sun, Apr 1, 2012 at 9:14 PM, Lew Brown wrote: > Now I must decide whether it is worth investing in a trip computer for > European travel. I have a Garmin CSX but it's too heavy. I want something > light and compact that computes distance traveled and real-time speed. If I > can also have a map to follow, so much the better. -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie From fietsbob at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 14:19:34 2012 From: fietsbob at gmail.com (robert clark) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 14:19:34 -0700 Subject: [Yak] NWT for touring? Message-ID: FWIW, my PL came with 'heavy rider option'.. thus, there is a main triangle, like on the BF tandems, so I have a place to pass a Lock thru. Use the top Bottle boss for mounting an Abus Link Lock.. a folding U lock. +I dont live in a College town or big city, any more so there are no people trying bike theft career opportunities .. From will at hallam.ca Mon Apr 2 00:06:53 2012 From: will at hallam.ca (Will Hallam) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 03:06:53 -0400 Subject: [Yak] SBC American Way bicycles In-Reply-To: <5b54b9738f899599ad8fbe1e873f477b.squirrel@email.powweb.com> References: <5b54b9738f899599ad8fbe1e873f477b.squirrel@email.powweb.com> Message-ID: Thanx for that! What a great tribute to Sheldon... On 2012-04-01, at 12:56 AM, John S. Allen wrote: > New! Exclusive! Now thanks to ShelBroCo, you can OWN the urban bicycle of your dreams! Take your stand for the American Way! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trahguhj at gmail.com Mon Apr 2 13:34:38 2012 From: trahguhj at gmail.com (Holden) Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:34:38 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Bicycle computer suggestions? Message-ID: <4F7A0D5E.5010307@gmail.com> I've got to rant about Mavic's USB computers. They weigh almost nothing, have all the standard functions, the ALTI includes a barometric altimeter, so displays gradient and total elevation gained. The ULTI adds on a HR function. I've had both and I have to rant about the inability to move the stored data (as advertized, 10 different saved rides) to the desktop application that is there to better display the information. The device has always been recognized. Sometimes transfers data, never the correct data, with 14 months of experience. the USA support at Mavic is available, and they did direct me to the obscure link on their website to where I could download the latest and greatest desktop software, that fixed the known bugs that came on the CD with the computer. that allowed me to connect the device, but, as of yet, no good data. Hopefully they're listening. Happy Trails From jwdvc at aol.com Mon Apr 2 14:23:30 2012 From: jwdvc at aol.com (John Woodman) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CEDF2DFB394549-1200-12A19@webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> I realize now how much Sheldon was part of my enjoyment of April Fool's day 4. Re: SBC American Way bicycles (Will Hallam) essage: 4 ate: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 03:06:53 -0400 rom: Will Hallam o: jsallen at bikexprt.com c: yak at bikefriday.com ubject: Re: [Yak] SBC American Way bicycles essage-ID: ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanx for that! What a great tribute to Sheldon... n 2012-04-01, at 12:56 AM, John S. Allen wrote: > New! Exclusive! Now thanks to ShelBroCo, you can OWN the urban bicycle of your reams! Take your stand for the American Way! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fnkim at hotmail.com Mon Apr 2 16:11:37 2012 From: fnkim at hotmail.com (Francis Kim) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:11:37 -0400 Subject: [Yak] FS: Pocket Companion In-Reply-To: References: <1332720850.41184.YahooMailNeo@web164502.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, , <1332769191.25600.YahooMailNeo@web164501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>, Message-ID: Pocket Sport is sold! Pocket Companion is still for sale. Please see below: - Pocket Companion: LIKE NEW! Bought new in fall of 2009. Great condition. Ridden around the city on roads and paved paths only. 1 light season of wear (very few miles). Maintained well. Size SMALL. Asking $750. We had a baby last year, and we've resigned ourselves to the fact that we're not going touring anytime soon (we had the baby before we could use the bikes for touring, sadly). We're going to use the proceeds for tikits. We're located near the Columbia campus in Manhattan (110th St stop on the 1 train). Cash only, pick-up only. Write for pictures! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From better_communities at yahoo.com Mon Apr 2 17:39:37 2012 From: better_communities at yahoo.com (RSG) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] New World Tourist (L) for sale Message-ID: <1333413577.67589.YahooMailNeo@web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> The time has come to thin the herd and sell my New World Tourist. I bought it around the same time I bought a Tikit. Needless to say, I've ridden the Tikit a ton and the NWT very little. Bikes are meant to be ridden, so I'd like to find a new owner who will give her the attention she deserves. The bike is approximately 5-6 years old. I'm the second owner. It's a size large in kelly green. It was a nice build directly from BF - goose neck stem, drop bars, bar end shifters, Chris King headset, Sun rims, mix of LX and 105 parts, fenders, etc. I just installed a new chain. Pedals and a seat are not included. It was well loved by the previous owner, but it's in good shape overall. It does need a little TLC that any competent home mechanic or your LBS can handle. The brakes need adjustment (possibly new cables), it needs new bar tape (included), etc. Nothing major that I'm aware of.? I have the travel case (used, in fair condition), trailer kit (used by the previous owner, never used by me), new decals, packing kit (never used), a few sets of tires (never used) and front and rear folding racks (never used). These are all optional. I'd love to sell it locally/regionally, and meet the buyer somewhere between Virginia and Georgia. I'm in NC. However, I can ship it. I'm asking $950 for the bike, including the travel case and trailer kit (in-person transaction). I think this is a fair price given the quality of the build, with the understanding that the new owner will need to do some minor work. This also includes a new set of tires. The other items (packing kit, racks, other set of tires, shipping) can be added as requested. I can send pics to interested parties, and I'm happy to answer any questions. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From bwogilvie at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 00:56:56 2012 From: bwogilvie at gmail.com (Brian Ogilvie) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:56:56 +0200 Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't flown Emirates, but I haven't had a problem checking my travelcase (the 31" Samsonite Flite) on British Airways, US Airways, SAS, or Aer Lingus. As to whether to buy the BF packing material, it depends on how much time your friend wants to put into acquiring other packing material. Bubble wrap should be fine for most purposes. The two things I would definitely get, though, would be a crush protector for the front fork and a crush protector for the travel case as a whole. The former could be picked up at almost any local bike shop that doesn't immediately throw them away after they unpack and build up a new bike. The latter could be acquired at a lighting supplier (get two round outdoor lighting flanges and a section of PVC pipe of the appropriate length, with threads on each end--thanks to Alex Wetmore for the tip). I also find that half-inch and 3/4 inch foam pipe insulation works well to protect the fork blades, chainstays, and seatstays when I pack my NWT. In short, you could save money by using bubble wrap and a few other things, but your friend would need to put a little time into acquiring them. Brian On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Mahesh V wrote: > Secondly, would bubble wrapping the parts be enough or should I order BF > specific packing material for the transport ? -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie From deepak at rashminursinghome.com Tue Apr 3 01:46:40 2012 From: deepak at rashminursinghome.com (Deepak Rao) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:16:40 +0530 Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Great tips from Brian as usual. Brian, Having no idea what these lighting flanges are, I googled it, and saw that they are more expensive than the BF crush protector. Any links? Any advantages that these have over the BF crush protectors? Mahesh, Emirates will not charge. If they say it is an oversized bag [which it is marginally], he can say it's a bike, and Emirates allows bikes as oversized baggage. Foam insulation is great and available at Home Depot outlets. Crush protector for the suitcase is available with BF for 6$, and it would save your friend the hassle. I suppose if you are buying everything from BF, they will pack it safely for you though. You don't need their packing stuff, but you would need to use something on the seat post etc, so it does not scratch the rest of the bike. Deepak From bwogilvie at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 02:34:48 2012 From: bwogilvie at gmail.com (Brian Ogilvie) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:34:48 +0200 Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I haven't actually tried this; Alex suggested it because I have found that the crush protector that came with my Tikit travelcase comes apart. The ends on mine do not screw onto the pipe; they merely press on. The bike shifts enough during travel that it makes the crush protector come apart. Perhaps BF now uses ones that screw together. Alex also mentioned that lighting stores have such fixtures at lower prices than what turns up on the Internet. I'm going to check out Mr. Bricolage some time soon to see what they have. Brian On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Deepak Rao wrote: > Having no idea what these lighting flanges are, I googled it, and saw > that they are more expensive than the BF crush protector. Any links? > Any advantages that these have over the BF crush protectors? -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie From deepak at rashminursinghome.com Tue Apr 3 02:37:36 2012 From: deepak at rashminursinghome.com (Deepak Rao) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:07:36 +0530 Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mine do not screw on either, but on the 2 bikes on two flights, I have not had them shifting. I think maybe they have made the rods a bit longer so it's a pretty snug fit. Or, I may very well face the problem later. Deepak From andrejs at ozolins.com Tue Apr 3 06:45:04 2012 From: andrejs at ozolins.com (Andrejs Ozolins) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:45:04 -0400 Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F7AFEE0.2050506@ozolins.com> On 4/3/12 3:56 AM, Brian Ogilvie wrote: > The two things I would > definitely get, though, would be a crush protector for the front fork > and a crush protector for the travel case as a whole. Yes, the case crush protector is very important, since the sides of the case are very flexible. Another trifle to have is the plastic disk that can be stuck into the end of the wheel hub after you take out the quick release lever. When packing, the front wheel sits on top of everything, with the axle touching the top of the case. Without that plastic disk, the axle will wear a hole in the suitcase; the disk helps spread that point of contact. I think they throw things like that away at bike shops after unpacking new bikes. Andrejs From maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 07:21:29 2012 From: maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com (Mahesh V) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:51:29 +0530 Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related In-Reply-To: <4F7AFD9A.9050400@ozolins.com> References: <4F7AFD9A.9050400@ozolins.com> Message-ID: Thanks a lot Andrejs for the detailed explanation. I guess the travel case should do just fine. So would you guys just recommend the crush protector in the suitcase and the remaining material be bubble wrapped ? On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Andrejs Ozolins wrote: > On 4/3/12 2:38 AM, Mahesh V wrote: > >> I have bought myself a PL with the travel case (without the trailer). My >> friend who would be travelling to the US (Sunnyvale) would be carrying the >> bike with travelcase back to me in India. He would be flying Emirates >> (Economy). >> Have any of you faced any issues travelling with Emirates with the BF >> travel case ? The measurements listed on BF store indicate >> that the dimensions of the case comes to around 65 linear inches (L + B + >> W in inches). >> Secondly, would bubble wrapping the parts be enough or should I order BF >> specific packing material for the transport ? >> > Mahesh, > I have used that travel case many times and it happens to be packed at > this moment for leaving in three days on another trip. I've never flown > Emirates, but I really believe the policies are pretty standard. > > This topic has come up many times. Yes, the combined dimensions of the > case are a bit over the official limit. However, literally no one, in over > a decade of flying, has been challenged on the size of the suitcase. It's > simply too "normal" a case, I believe. I don't hesitate to take it and > expect it to be accepted as routine luggage. > > As to packing materials, they are for cosmetic purposes only. None of > those materials would prevent damage if the case were crushed or seriously > banged. That sometimes happens -- a chain ring might be bent, for example. > The packing material mainly prevents the abrasion of one piece of the > bike/contents against another. I'm not terribly concerned about cosmetics > and leave out most of the packing material. I wrap the seat post, stem, > pump in separate bags so they don't rattle about. The rest is very firmly > in place, tied toether with a velcro strap, so it can't shift much. > > That's my experience; hope it helps. > Andrejs > Ithaca, NY > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From victor19 at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 08:39:33 2012 From: victor19 at gmail.com (Victor Waldron) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:39:33 -0400 Subject: [Yak] New tickit commuter In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Sean, I was able to pickup a knob.........added a second washer so hopefully it will stay snug with limited torque and prolong its life. If I break another I like the steam valve handle solution. V On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Sean Luke wrote: > On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Victor Waldron wrote: > > > Has anyone stripped the plastic knob so the actual bolt can't be > tightened > > sufficiently? I can't get it as tight as I used to, and even though it > > seems secure I'm a bit nervous about it. > > > > I'd be very interested in finding a long term solution (like the fully > > metallic one noted below) as I'm sure if I get a replacement that is also > > plastic it will eventually strip as well. > > I presume you're talking about the model-T twiddly knob. A guy named > ChipasFixed posted a similar question on BikeForums three years ago ( > http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-547292.html). His solution > was ultimately to attach a red steam valve handle ( > http://tinyurl.com/7j4xake) for a very steampunk look. I don't have the > picture of the handle on the tikit any more. > > BF once sent me a replacement knob even though I don't have a model-T. I > might still have it floating around if you'd like one for free. > > Sean > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwogilvie at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 11:34:12 2012 From: bwogilvie at gmail.com (Brian Ogilvie) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:34:12 +0200 Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related In-Reply-To: <4F7AFEE0.2050506@ozolins.com> References: <4F7AFEE0.2050506@ozolins.com> Message-ID: Andrejs is right (as usual). I actually got an unsightly paint scratch on my NWT when I packed it without such plastic disks. I use the ones that came with a wheelset I ordered some time ago for a 700C bike. Brian On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Andrejs Ozolins wrote: > Another trifle to have is the plastic disk that can be stuck into the end of > the wheel hub after you take out the quick release lever. When packing, the > front wheel sits on top of everything, with the axle touching the top of the > case. Without that plastic disk, the axle will wear a hole in the suitcase; > the disk helps spread that point of contact. I think they throw things like > that away at bike shops after unpacking new bikes. -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie From pastordennis.1 at hotmail.com Tue Apr 3 12:46:46 2012 From: pastordennis.1 at hotmail.com (pastordennis.1 at hotmail.com) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 13:46:46 -0600 Subject: [Yak] Tandem Stacker Message-ID: Anyone have a used one they would like to sell? Reply to pastordennis.1 at hotmail.com. Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy at whitgreave.net Tue Apr 3 13:26:12 2012 From: andy at whitgreave.net (Andy Whitgreave) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 21:26:12 +0100 Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <41b0f1c5-a1b4-4745-aa12-4256c563722f@email.android.com> Hi All. We use sink drain plungers as crush protectors....very cheap here in UK and available from most hardware stores....just buy 2 and you have two big rubber ends to put on one of the pipes which can the be cut to fit the case. Works well for us! Regards Andy Andy Whitgreave yak-request at bikefriday.com wrote: Send Yak mailing list submissions to yak at bikefriday.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to yak-request at bikefriday.com You can reach the person managing the list at yak-owner at bikefriday.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Yak digest..." Let's be good netizens! When replying to a digest message please remember to trim away the excess text of other messages and replies. Today's Topics: 1. Re: Bicycle computer suggestions? (Holden) 2. Re: Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 2 (John Woodman) 3. FS: Pocket Companion (Francis Kim) 4. New World Tourist (L) for sale (RSG) 5. BF Travel case related (Mahesh V) 6. Re: BF Travel case related (Brian Ogilvie) 7. Re: BF Travel case related (Deepak Rao) 8. Re: BF Travel case related (Brian Ogilvie) 9. Re: BF Travel case related (Deepak Rao) 10. Re: BF Travel case related (Andrejs Ozolins) 11. Re: BF Travel case related (Mahesh V) 12. Re: New tickit commuter (Victor Waldron) 13. Re: BF Travel case related (Brian Ogilvie) _____________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:34:38 -0700 From: Holden To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] Bicycle computer suggestions? Message-ID: <4F7A0D5E.5010307 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I've got to rant about Mavic's USB computers. They weigh almost nothing, have all the standard functions, the ALTI includes a barometric altimeter, so displays gradient and total elevation gained. The ULTI adds on a HR function. I've had both and I have to rant about the inability to move the stored data (as advertized, 10 different saved rides) to the desktop application that is there to better display the information. The device has always been recognized. Sometimes transfers data, never the correct data, with 14 months of experience. the USA support at Mavic is available, and they did direct me to the obscure link on their website to where I could download the latest and greatest desktop software, that fixed the known bugs that came on the CD with the computer. that allowed me to connect the device, but, as of yet, no good data. Hopefully they're listening. Happy Trails _____________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:23:30 -0400 (EDT) From: John Woodman To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 2 Message-ID: <8CEDF2DFB394549-1200-12A19 at webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I realize now how much Sheldon was part of my enjoyment of April Fool's day 4. Re: SBC American Way bicycles (Will Hallam) essage: 4 ate: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 03:06:53 -0400 rom: Will Hallam o: jsallen at bikexprt.com c: yak at bikefriday.com ubject: Re: [Yak] SBC American Way bicycles essage-ID: ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanx for that! What a great tribute to Sheldon... n 2012-04-01, at 12:56 AM, John S. Allen wrote: > New! Exclusive! Now thanks to ShelBroCo, you can OWN the urban bicycle of your reams! Take your stand for the American Way! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ; _____________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:11:37 -0400 From: Francis Kim To: Subject: [Yak] FS: Pocket Companion Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Pocket Sport is sold! Pocket Companion is still for sale. Please see below: - Pocket Companion: LIKE NEW! Bought new in fall of 2009. Great condition. Ridden around the city on roads and paved paths only. 1 light season of wear (very few miles). Maintained well. Size SMALL. Asking $750. We had a baby last year, and we've resigned ourselves to the fact that we're not going touring anytime soon (we had the baby before we could use the bikes for touring, sadly). We're going to use the proceeds for tikits. We're located near the Columbia campus in Manhattan (110th St stop on the 1 train). Cash only, pick-up only. Write for pictures! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ; _____________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) From: RSG To: "yak at bikefriday.com" Subject: [Yak] New World Tourist (L) for sale Message-ID: <1333413577.67589.YahooMailNeo at web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The time has come to thin the herd and sell my New World Tourist. I bought it around the same time I bought a Tikit. Needless to say, I've ridden the Tikit a ton and the NWT very little. Bikes are meant to be ridden, so I'd like to find a new owner who will give her the attention she deserves. The bike is approximately 5-6 years old. I'm the second owner. It's a size large in kelly green. It was a nice build directly from BF - goose neck stem, drop bars, bar end shifters, Chris King headset, Sun rims, mix of LX and 105 parts, fenders, etc. I just installed a new chain. Pedals and a seat are not included. It was well loved by the previous owner, but it's in good shape overall. It does need a little TLC that any competent home mechanic or your LBS can handle. The brakes need adjustment (possibly new cables), it needs new bar tape (included), etc. Nothing major that I'm aware of.? I have the travel case (used, in fair condition), trailer kit (used by the previous owner, never used by me), new decals, packing kit (never used), a few sets of tires (never used) and front and rear folding racks (never used). These are all optional. I'd love to sell it locally/regionally, and meet the buyer somewhere between Virginia and Georgia. I'm in NC. However, I can ship it. I'm asking $950 for the bike, including the travel case and trailer kit (in-person transaction). I think this is a fair price given the quality of the build, with the understanding that the new owner will need to do some minor work. This also includes a new set of tires. The other items (packing kit, racks, other set of tires, shipping) can be added as requested. I can send pics to interested parties, and I'm happy to answer any questions. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: ; _____________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:56:56 +0200 From: Brian Ogilvie To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I haven't flown Emirates, but I haven't had a problem checking my travelcase (the 31" Samsonite Flite) on British Airways, US Airways, SAS, or Aer Lingus. As to whether to buy the BF packing material, it depends on how much time your friend wants to put into acquiring other packing material. Bubble wrap should be fine for most purposes. The two things I would definitely get, though, would be a crush protector for the front fork and a crush protector for the travel case as a whole. The former could be picked up at almost any local bike shop that doesn't immediately throw them away after they unpack and build up a new bike. The latter could be acquired at a lighting supplier (get two round outdoor lighting flanges and a section of PVC pipe of the appropriate length, with threads on each end--thanks to Alex Wetmore for the tip). I also find that half-inch and 3/4 inch foam pipe insulation works well to protect the fork blades, chainstays, and seatstays when I pack my NWT. In short, you could save money by using bubble wrap and a few other things, but your friend would need to put a little time into acquiring them. Brian On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Mahesh V wrote: > Secondly, would bubble wrapping the parts be enough or should I order BF > specific packing material for the transport ? -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie _____________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:16:40 +0530 From: Deepak Rao To: Brian Ogilvie Cc: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Great tips from Brian as usual. Brian, Having no idea what these lighting flanges are, I googled it, and saw that they are more expensive than the BF crush protector. Any links? Any advantages that these have over the BF crush protectors? Mahesh, Emirates will not charge. If they say it is an oversized bag [which it is marginally], he can say it's a bike, and Emirates allows bikes as oversized baggage. Foam insulation is great and available at Home Depot outlets. Crush protector for the suitcase is available with BF for 6$, and it would save your friend the hassle. I suppose if you are buying everything from BF, they will pack it safely for you though. You don't need their packing stuff, but you would need to use something on the seat post etc, so it does not scratch the rest of the bike. Deepak _____________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:34:48 +0200 From: Brian Ogilvie To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I haven't actually tried this; Alex suggested it because I have found that the crush protector that came with my Tikit travelcase comes apart. The ends on mine do not screw onto the pipe; they merely press on. The bike shifts enough during travel that it makes the crush protector come apart. Perhaps BF now uses ones that screw together. Alex also mentioned that lighting stores have such fixtures at lower prices than what turns up on the Internet. I'm going to check out Mr. Bricolage some time soon to see what they have. Brian On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Deepak Rao wrote: > Having no idea what these lighting flanges are, I googled it, and saw > that they are more expensive than the BF crush protector. Any links? > Any advantages that these have over the BF crush protectors? -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie _____________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:07:36 +0530 From: Deepak Rao To: Brian Ogilvie Cc: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mine do not screw on either, but on the 2 bikes on two flights, I have not had them shifting. I think maybe they have made the rods a bit longer so it's a pretty snug fit. Or, I may very well face the problem later. Deepak _____________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:45:04 -0400 From: Andrejs Ozolins To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related Message-ID: <4F7AFEE0.2050506 at ozolins.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed On 4/3/12 3:56 AM, Brian Ogilvie wrote: > The two things I would > definitely get, though, would be a crush protector for the front fork > and a crush protector for the travel case as a whole. Yes, the case crush protector is very important, since the sides of the case are very flexible. Another trifle to have is the plastic disk that can be stuck into the end of the wheel hub after you take out the quick release lever. When packing, the front wheel sits on top of everything, with the axle touching the top of the case. Without that plastic disk, the axle will wear a hole in the suitcase; the disk helps spread that point of contact. I think they throw things like that away at bike shops after unpacking new bikes. Andrejs _____________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 19:51:29 +0530 From: Mahesh V To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks a lot Andrejs for the detailed explanation. I guess the travel case should do just fine. So would you guys just recommend the crush protector in the suitcase and the remaining material be bubble wrapped ? On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Andrejs Ozolins wrote: > On 4/3/12 2:38 AM, Mahesh V wrote: > >> I have bought myself a PL with the travel case (without the trailer). My >> friend who would be travelling to the US (Sunnyvale) would be carrying the >> bike with travelcase back to me in India. He would be flying Emirates >> (Economy). >> Have any of you faced any issues travelling with Emirates with the BF >> travel case ? The measurements listed on BF store indicate >> that the dimensions of the case comes to around 65 linear inches (L + B + >> W in inches). >> Secondly, would bubble wrapping the parts be enough or should I order BF >> specific packing material for the transport ? >> > Mahesh, > I have used that travel case many times and it happens to be packed at > this moment for leaving in three days on another trip. I've never flown > Emirates, but I really believe the policies are pretty standard. > > This topic has come up many times. Yes, the combined dimensions of the > case are a bit over the official limit. However, literally no one, in over > a decade of flying, has been challenged on the size of the suitcase. It's > simply too "normal" a case, I believe. I don't hesitate to take it and > expect it to be accepted as routine luggage. > > As to packing materials, they are for cosmetic purposes only. None of > those materials would prevent damage if the case were crushed or seriously > banged. That sometimes happens -- a chain ring might be bent, for example. > The packing material mainly prevents the abrasion of one piece of the > bike/contents against another. I'm not terribly concerned about cosmetics > and leave out most of the packing material. I wrap the seat post, stem, > pump in separate bags so they don't rattle about. The rest is very firmly > in place, tied toether with a velcro strap, so it can't shift much. > > That's my experience; hope it helps. > Andrejs > Ithaca, NY > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ; _____________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:39:33 -0400 From: Victor Waldron To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] New tickit commuter Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Thanks Sean, I was able to pickup a knob.........added a second washer so hopefully it will stay snug with limited torque and prolong its life. If I break another I like the steam valve handle solution. V On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Sean Luke wrote: > On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Victor Waldron wrote: > > > Has anyone stripped the plastic knob so the actual bolt can't be > tightened > > sufficiently? I can't get it as tight as I used to, and even though it > > seems secure I'm a bit nervous about it. > > > > I'd be very interested in finding a long term solution (like the fully > > metallic one noted below) as I'm sure if I get a replacement that is also > > plastic it will eventually strip as well. > > I presume you're talking about the model-T twiddly knob. A guy named > ChipasFixed posted a similar question on BikeForums three years ago ( > http://www.bikeforums.net/archive/index.php/t-547292.html). His solution > was ultimately to attach a red steam valve handle ( > http://tinyurl.com/7j4xake) for a very steampunk look. I don't have the > picture of the handle on the tikit any more. > > BF once sent me a replacement knob even though I don't have a model-T. I > might still have it floating around if you'd like one for free. > > Sean > >_____________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ; _____________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:34:12 +0200 From: Brian Ogilvie To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Andrejs is right (as usual). I actually got an unsightly paint scratch on my NWT when I packed it without such plastic disks. I use the ones that came with a wheelset I ordered some time ago for a 700C bike. Brian On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:45 PM, Andrejs Ozolins wrote: > Another trifle to have is the plastic disk that can be stuck into the end of > the wheel hub after you take out the quick release lever. When packing, the > front wheel sits on top of everything, with the axle touching the top of the > case. Without that plastic disk, the axle will wear a hole in the suitcase; > the disk helps spread that point of contact. I think they throw things like > that away at bike shops after unpacking new bikes. -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie _____________________________________________ _____________________________________________ Yak mailing list Yak at bikefriday.com http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak End of Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 3 ********************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.cool at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 14:48:33 2012 From: john.cool at gmail.com (John Cool) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 17:48:33 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <41b0f1c5-a1b4-4745-aa12-4256c563722f@email.android.com> References: <41b0f1c5-a1b4-4745-aa12-4256c563722f@email.android.com> Message-ID: And that worked for me too. I picked up two big rubber drain stoppers at Home Depot here in NY that fit snugly over the ends of a piece of PVC pipe, also from Home Depot, and that worked perfectly. John On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, Andy Whitgreave wrote: > Hi All. > We use sink drain plungers as crush protectors....very cheap here in UK > and available from most hardware stores....just buy 2 and you have two big > rubber ends to put on one of the pipes which can the be cut to fit the > case. Works well for us! > > Regards > > Andy > Andy Whitgreave > > yak-request at bikefriday.com wrote: > > Send Yak mailing list submissions to > yak at bikefriday.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > yak-request at bikefriday.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > yak-owner at bikefriday.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Yak digest..." > > > Let's be good netizens! When replying to a digest message please remember to trim away the excess text of other messages and replies. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Bicycle computer suggestions? (Holden) > 2. Re: Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 2 (John Woodman) > 3. FS: Pocket Companion (Francis Kim) > 4. > New > World Tourist (L) for sale (RSG) > 5. BF Travel case related (Mahesh V) > 6. Re: BF Travel case related (Brian Ogilvie) > 7. Re: BF Travel case related (Deepak Rao) > 8. Re: BF Travel case related (Brian Ogilvie) > 9. Re: BF Travel case related (Deepak Rao) > 10. Re: BF Travel case related (Andrejs Ozolins) > 11. Re: BF Travel case related (Mahesh V) > 12. Re: New tickit commuter (Victor Waldron) > 13. Re: BF Travel case related (Brian Ogilvie) > > > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:34:38 -0700 > From: Holden > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] Bicycle computer suggestions? > Message-ID: <4F7A0D5E.5010307 at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I've got to rant about Mavic's USB computers. They weigh almost > nothing, have all the standard functions, the ALTI includes a barom > etric > altimeter, so displays gradient and total elevation gained. The ULTI > adds on a HR function. > > I've had both and I have to rant about the inability to move the stored > data (as advertized, 10 different saved rides) to the desktop > application that is there to better display the information. The device > has always been recognized. Sometimes transfers data, never the correct > data, with 14 months of experience. > > the USA support at Mavic is available, and they did direct me to the > obscure link on their website to where I could download the latest and > greatest desktop software, that fixed the known bugs that came on the CD > with the computer. that allowed me to connect the device, but, as of > yet, no good data. > > Hopefully they're listening. > Happy Trails > > > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:23:30 -0400 (EDT) > From: John Woodman > > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 2 > Message-ID: <8CEDF2DFB394549-1200-12A19 at webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I realize now how much Sheldon was part of my enjoyment of April Fool's day > > > > > > 4. Re: SBC American Way bicycles (Will Hallam) > > essage: 4 > ate: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 03:06:53 -0400 > rom: Will Hallam > o: jsallen at bikexprt.com > c: yak at bikefriday.com > ubject: Re: [Yak] SBC American Way bicycles > essage-ID: > ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Thanx for that! > What a great tribute to Sheldon... > > n 2012-04-01, at 12:56 AM, John S. Allen wrote: > > New! Exclusive! Now thanks to ShelBroCo, you can OWN the urban bicycle of your > reams! Take your stand for the American Way! > > < > a > href="http://sheldonbrown.com/bike-share.html"> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:11:37 -0400 > From: Francis Kim > To: > Subject: [Yak] FS: Pocket Companion > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > > > > Pocket Sport is sold! Pocket Companion is still for sale. Please see below: > - Pocket Companion: LIKE NEW! Bought new in fall of 2009. Great condition. Ridden around the city > on > roads and paved paths only. 1 light season of wear (very few miles). Maintained well. Size SMALL. Asking $750. > We had a baby last year, and we've resigned ourselves to the fact that we're not going touring anytime soon (we had the baby before we could use the bikes for touring, sadly). We're going to use the proceeds for tikits. > We're located near the Columbia campus in Manhattan (110th St stop on the 1 train). Cash only, pick-up only. Write for pictures! > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: RSG > To: "yak at bikefriday.com" > > Subject: [Yak] New World Tourist (L) for sale > Message-ID: > <1333413577.67589.YahooMailNeo at web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The time has come to thin the herd and sell my New World Tourist. I bought it around the same time I bought a Tikit. Needless to say, I've ridden the Tikit a ton and the NWT very little. Bikes are meant to be ridden, so I'd like to find a new owner who will give her the attention she deserves. > > The bike is approximately 5-6 years old. I'm the second owner. It's a size large in kelly green. It was a nice build directly from BF - goose neck stem, drop bars, bar end shifters, Chris King headset, Sun rims, mix of LX and 105 parts, fenders, etc. I just installed a new chain. Pedals and a seat are not included. > > > It was well loved by the previous owner, but it's in good shape overall. It does need a little TLC that any competent > home > mechanic or your LBS can handle. The brakes need adjustment (possibly new cables), it needs new bar tape (included), etc. Nothing major that I'm aware of.? > > I have the travel case (used, in fair condition), trailer kit (used by the previous owner, never used by me), new decals, packing kit (never used), a few sets of tires (never used) and front and rear folding racks (never used). These are all optional. > > > I'd love to sell it locally/regionally, and meet the buyer somewhere between Virginia and Georgia. I'm in NC. However, I can ship it. > > I'm asking $950 for the bike, including the travel case and trailer kit (in-person transaction). I think this is a fair price given the quality of the build, with the understanding that the new owner will need to do some minor work. This also includes a new set of tires. The other items (packing kit, racks, other set of tires, shipping) can be added as requested. > > > I can send pics to inter > ested > parties, and I'm happy to answer any questions. > > > Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:08:45 +0530 > From: Mahesh V > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi BF folks, > I have bought myself a PL with the travel case (without the trailer). My > friend who would be travelling to the US (Sunnyvale) would be carrying the > bike with travelcase back to me in India. He would be flying Emirat > es > (Economy). > Have any of you faced any issues travelling with Emirates with the BF > travel case ? The measurements listed on BF store indicate > that the dimensions of the case comes to around 65 linear inches (L + B + W > in inches). > Secondly, would bubble wrapping the parts be enough or should I order BF > specific packing material for the transport ? > > Appreciate your response > Thanks > Mahesh > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:56:56 +0200 > From: Brian Ogilvie > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I haven't flown Emirates, but I haven't had a problem checking my > travelcase (the 31" Samsonite Flite) on British Airways, US Airways, > SAS, or Aer Lingus. > > As to whether to buy the BF packing material, it depends on how much > time your friend wants to put into acquiring other packing material. > Bubble wrap should be fine for most purposes. The two things I would > definitely get, though, would be a crush protector for the front fork > and a crush protector for the travel case as a whole. The former could > be picked up at almost any local bike shop that doesn't immediately > throw them away after they unpack and build up a new bike. The latter > could be acquired at a lighting supplier (get two round outdoor > lighting flanges and a section of PVC pipe of the appropriate length, > with threa > ds on > each end--thanks to Alex Wetmore for the tip). > > I also find that half-inch and 3/4 inch foam pipe insulation works > well to protect the fork blades, chainstays, and seatstays when I pack > my NWT. > > In short, you could save money by using bubble wrap and a few other > things, but your friend would need to put a little time into acquiring > them. > > Brian > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Mahesh V wrote: > > > Secondly, would bubble wrapping the parts be enough or should I order BF > > specific packing material for the transport ? > > -- > Brian W. Ogilvie > Paris, France > http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie > > > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:16:40 +0530 > From: Deepak Rao > To: Brian Ogilvie > > Cc: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Great tips from Brian as usual. > > Brian, > > Having no idea what these lighting flanges are, I googled it, and saw > that they are more expensive than the BF crush protector. Any links? > Any advantages that these have over the BF crush protectors? > > Mahesh, > > Emirates will not charge. If they say it is an oversized bag [which it > is marginally], he can say it's a bike, and Emirates allows bikes as > oversized baggage. > > Foam insulation is great and available at Home Depot outlets. > > Crush protector for the suitcase is available with BF for 6$, and it > would save your friend the hassle. I suppose if you are buying > everything from BF, they will pa > ck it > safely for you though. You don't > need their packing stuff, but you would need to use something on the > seat post etc, so it does not scratch the rest of the bike. > > Deepak > > > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:34:48 +0200 > From: Brian Ogilvie > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I haven't actually tried this; Alex suggested it because I have found > that the crush protector that came with my Tikit travelcase comes > apart. The ends on mine do not screw onto the pipe; they merely press > on. The bike shifts enough during travel that it makes the crush > protector come apart. Perhaps BF now uses ones that screw together. > > Alex also mentioned that lighting stores have such fixt > ures at > lower > prices than what turns up on the Internet. I'm going to check out Mr. > Bricolage some time soon to see what they have. > > Brian > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Deepak Rao > wrote: > > > Having no idea what these lighting flanges are, I googled it, and saw > > that they are more expensive than the BF crush protector. Any links? > > Any advantages that these have over the BF crush protectors? > > -- > Brian W. Ogilvie > Paris, France > http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie > > > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:07:36 +0530 > From: Deepak Rao > To: Brian Ogilvie > Cc: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Mine do not screw on either, but on the 2 bikes on two flights, I have > not had them shifting. I think maybe they have made the rods a bit > longer so it's a pretty snug fit. Or, I may very well face the problem > later. > > Deepak > > > ------------------------------ > > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:45:04 -0400 > From: Andrejs Ozolins > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: <4F7AFEE0.2050506 at ozolins.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 4/3/12 3:56 AM, Brian Ogilvie wrote: > > The two thi > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bikesandskis at gmail.com Tue Apr 3 14:54:43 2012 From: bikesandskis at gmail.com (Steve Davis) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:54:43 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: References: <41b0f1c5-a1b4-4745-aa12-4256c563722f@email.android.com> Message-ID: <44AA32B5-CADA-49CE-B751-2975F2F20969@gmail.com> Love it! And when you're on the road traveling you can always moonlight as a plumber. Steve Davis SonoSite, Inc 541.915.3425 On Apr 3, 2012, at 2:48 PM, John Cool wrote: > And that worked for me too. I picked up two big rubber drain stoppers at Home Depot here in NY that fit snugly over the ends of a piece of PVC pipe, also from Home Depot, and that worked perfectly. > John > > > On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, Andy Whitgreave wrote: > Hi All. > We use sink drain plungers as crush protectors....very cheap here in UK and available from most hardware stores....just buy 2 and you have two big rubber ends to put on one of the pipes which can the be cut to fit the case. Works well for us! > > Regards > > Andy > Andy Whitgreave > > yak-request at bikefriday.com wrote: > Send Yak mailing list submissions to > yak at bikefriday.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > yak-request at bikefriday.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > yak-owner at bikefriday.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Yak digest..." > > > Let's be good netizens! When replying to a digest message please remember to trim away the excess text of other messages and replies. > > Today's Topics: > > > 1. Re: Bicycle computer suggestions? (Holden) > 2. Re: Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 2 (John Woodman) > 3. FS: Pocket Companion (Francis Kim) > 4. > New > World Tourist (L) for sale (RSG) > 5. BF Travel case related (Mahesh V) > 6. Re: BF Travel case related (Brian Ogilvie) > 7. Re: BF Travel case related (Deepak Rao) > 8. Re: BF Travel case related (Brian Ogilvie) > > 9. Re: BF Travel case related (Deepak Rao) > 10. Re: BF Travel case related (Andrejs Ozolins) > 11. Re: BF Travel case related (Mahesh V) > 12. Re: New tickit commuter (Victor Waldron) > 13. Re: BF Travel case related (Brian Ogilvie) > > > > > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 13:34:38 -0700 > From: Holden > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] Bicycle computer suggestions? > Message-ID: <4F7A0D5E.5010307 at gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I've got to rant about Mavic's USB computers. They weigh almost > nothing, have all the standard functions, the ALTI includes a barom > etric > > altimeter, so displays gradient and total elevation gained. The ULTI > adds on a HR function. > > I've had both and I have to rant about the inability to move the stored > data (as advertized, 10 different saved rides) to the desktop > > application that is there to better display the information. The device > has always been recognized. Sometimes transfers data, never the correct > data, with 14 months of experience. > > the USA support at Mavic is available, and they did direct me to the > > obscure link on their website to where I could download the latest and > greatest desktop software, that fixed the known bugs that came on the CD > with the computer. that allowed me to connect the device, but, as of > > yet, no good data. > > Hopefully they're listening. > Happy Trails > > > > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:23:30 -0400 (EDT) > From: John Woodman > > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 2 > Message-ID: <8CEDF2DFB394549-1200-12A19 at webmail-d079.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > I realize now how much Sheldon was part of my enjoyment of April Fool's day > > > > > > 4. Re: SBC American Way bicycles (Will Hallam) > > essage: 4 > ate: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 03:06:53 -0400 > rom: Will Hallam > > o: jsallen at bikexprt.com > c: yak at bikefriday.com > ubject: Re: [Yak] SBC American Way bicycles > essage-ID: > ontent-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thanx for that! > What a great tribute to Sheldon... > > n 2012-04-01, at 12:56 AM, John S. Allen wrote: > > New! Exclusive! Now thanks to ShelBroCo, you can OWN the urban bicycle of your > reams! Take your stand for the American Way! > > > < > a > href="http://sheldonbrown.com/bike-share.html"> > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 19:11:37 -0400 > From: Francis Kim > To: > Subject: [Yak] FS: Pocket Companion > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > > > > > > > > Pocket Sport is sold! Pocket Companion is still for sale. Please see below: > - Pocket Companion: LIKE NEW! Bought new in fall of 2009. Great condition. Ridden around the city > on > roads and paved paths only. 1 light season of wear (very few miles). Maintained well. Size SMALL. Asking $750. > We had a baby last year, and we've resigned ourselves to the fact that we're not going touring anytime soon (we had the baby before we could use the bikes for touring, sadly). We're going to use the proceeds for tikits. > > We're located near the Columbia campus in Manhattan (110th St stop on the 1 train). Cash only, pick-up only. Write for pictures! > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > > URL: > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:39:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: RSG > To: "yak at bikefriday.com" > > Subject: [Yak] New World Tourist (L) for sale > Message-ID: > <1333413577.67589.YahooMailNeo at web160701.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > The time has come to thin the herd and sell my New World Tourist. I bought it around the same time I bought a Tikit. Needless to say, I've ridden the Tikit a ton and the NWT very little. Bikes are meant to be ridden, so I'd like to find a new owner who will give her the attention she deserves. > > > The bike is approximately 5-6 years old. I'm the second owner. It's a size large in kelly green. It was a nice build directly from BF - goose neck stem, drop bars, bar end shifters, Chris King headset, Sun rims, mix of LX and 105 parts, fenders, etc. I just installed a new chain. Pedals and a seat are not included. > > > > It was well loved by the previous owner, but it's in good shape overall. It does need a little TLC that any competent > home > mechanic or your LBS can handle. The brakes need adjustment (possibly new cables), it needs new bar tape (included), etc. Nothing major that I'm aware of.? > > I have the travel case (used, in fair condition), trailer kit (used by the previous owner, never used by me), new decals, packing kit (never used), a few sets of tires (never used) and front and rear folding racks (never used). These are all optional. > > > > I'd love to sell it locally/regionally, and meet the buyer somewhere between Virginia and Georgia. I'm in NC. However, I can ship it. > > I'm asking $950 for the bike, including the travel case and trailer kit (in-person transaction). I think this is a fair price given the quality of the build, with the understanding that the new owner will need to do some minor work. This also includes a new set of tires. The other items (packing kit, racks, other set of tires, shipping) can be added as requested. > > > > I can send pics to inter > ested > parties, and I'm happy to answer any questions. > > > Thanks! > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 12:08:45 +0530 > From: Mahesh V > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi BF folks, > I have bought myself a PL with the travel case (without the trailer). My > > friend who would be travelling to the US (Sunnyvale) would be carrying the > bike with travelcase back to me in India. He would be flying Emirat > es > (Economy). > Have any of you faced any issues travelling with Emirates with the BF > travel case ? The measurements listed on BF store indicate > that the dimensions of the case comes to around 65 linear inches (L + B + W > > in inches). > Secondly, would bubble wrapping the parts be enough or should I order BF > specific packing material for the transport ? > > Appreciate your response > Thanks > Mahesh > -------------- next part -------------- > > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 09:56:56 +0200 > From: Brian Ogilvie > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I haven't flown Emirates, but I haven't had a problem checking my > travelcase (the 31" Samsonite Flite) on British Airways, US Airways, > > SAS, or Aer Lingus. > > As to whether to buy the BF packing material, it depends on how much > time your friend wants to put into acquiring other packing material. > Bubble wrap should be fine for most purposes. The two things I would > > definitely get, though, would be a crush protector for the front fork > and a crush protector for the travel case as a whole. The former could > be picked up at almost any local bike shop that doesn't immediately > > throw them away after they unpack and build up a new bike. The latter > could be acquired at a lighting supplier (get two round outdoor > lighting flanges and a section of PVC pipe of the appropriate length, > with threa > ds on > each end--thanks to Alex Wetmore for the tip). > > I also find that half-inch and 3/4 inch foam pipe insulation works > well to protect the fork blades, chainstays, and seatstays when I pack > my NWT. > > In short, you could save money by using bubble wrap and a few other > > things, but your friend would need to put a little time into acquiring > them. > > Brian > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Mahesh V wrote: > > > Secondly, would bubble wrapping the parts be enough or should I order BF > > > specific packing material for the transport ? > > -- > Brian W. Ogilvie > Paris, France > http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie > > > > > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 14:16:40 +0530 > From: Deepak Rao > To: Brian Ogilvie > > Cc: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > > Great tips from Brian as usual. > > Brian, > > Having no idea what these lighting flanges are, I googled it, and saw > that they are more expensive than the BF crush protector. Any links? > Any advantages that these have over the BF crush protectors? > > > Mahesh, > > Emirates will not charge. If they say it is an oversized bag [which it > is marginally], he can say it's a bike, and Emirates allows bikes as > oversized baggage. > > Foam insulation is great and available at Home Depot outlets. > > > Crush protector for the suitcase is available with BF for 6$, and it > would save your friend the hassle. I suppose if you are buying > everything from BF, they will pa > ck it > safely for you though. You don't > need their packing stuff, but you would need to use something on the > seat post etc, so it does not scratch the rest of the bike. > > Deepak > > > > > Message: 8 > > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 11:34:48 +0200 > From: Brian Ogilvie > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > I haven't actually tried this; Alex suggested it because I have found > that the crush protector that came with my Tikit travelcase comes > apart. The ends on mine do not screw onto the pipe; they merely press > > on. The bike shifts enough during travel that it makes the crush > protector come apart. Perhaps BF now uses ones that screw together. > > Alex also mentioned that lighting stores have such fixt > ures at > lower > prices than what turns up on the Internet. I'm going to check out Mr. > Bricolage some time soon to see what they have. > > Brian > > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Deepak Rao > wrote: > > > > Having no idea what these lighting flanges are, I googled it, and saw > > that they are more expensive than the BF crush protector. Any links? > > Any advantages that these have over the BF crush protectors? > > > -- > Brian W. Ogilvie > Paris, France > http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie > > > > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 15:07:36 +0530 > > From: Deepak Rao > To: Brian Ogilvie > Cc: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Mine do not screw on either, but on the 2 bikes on two flights, I have > not had them shifting. I think maybe they have made the rods a bit > longer so it's a pretty snug fit. Or, I may very well face the problem > > later. > > Deepak > > > > > Message: 10 > Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 09:45:04 -0400 > From: Andrejs Ozolins > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF Travel case related > > Message-ID: <4F7AFEE0.2050506 at ozolins.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 4/3/12 3:56 AM, Brian Ogilvie wrote: > > The two thi > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hmsachs at verizon.net Tue Apr 3 15:09:02 2012 From: hmsachs at verizon.net (Harvey Sachs) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2012 18:09:02 -0400 Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related Message-ID: <4F7B74FE.9050905@verizon.net> It is good to revisit this topic occasionally, and there have been some great responses to Maresh's inquiry. One topic has not been mentioned that affected me and I want to share with the group. On arrival in Honolulu, the threaded steerer on my Crusoe had been bent. I detach with the QR instead of pulling the stem a few inches higher, because the folded bike is easier to fit into the case that way. But the steerer tube is very thin-walled, and reduced further by the threading. I straightened as well as I could. But, ever since, I've religiously inserted a length of 1-1/8" (29mm) hardwood dowel about 16 cm (almost 7") long into the steerer for shipment. FWIW, another piece of the same, except with a hole drilled through, serves as a fine fork blade separator, held in place by the QR assembly. I take that off to make the front wheel thinner, anyhow, and it doesn't get lost that way. One of these days I'll get a case brace/separator, too, but probably will procrastinate until I bend another chainring. :-( Of course, your mileage may vary. harvey sachs Maresh wrote: I have bought myself a PL with the travel case (without the trailer). My friend who would be travelling to the US (Sunnyvale) would be carrying the bike with travelcase back to me in India. He would be flying Emirates (Economy). Have any of you faced any issues travelling with Emirates with the BF travel case ? The measurements listed on BF store indicate that the dimensions of the case comes to around 65 linear inches (L + B + W in inches). Secondly, would bubble wrapping the parts be enough or should I order BF specific packing material for the transport ? Appreciate your response Thanks Mahesh From geoffreygee at yahoo.com Tue Apr 3 18:40:12 2012 From: geoffreygee at yahoo.com (Geof Gee) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 18:40:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] BF Travel case related In-Reply-To: <4F7B74FE.9050905@verizon.net> References: <4F7B74FE.9050905@verizon.net> Message-ID: <1333503612.85367.YahooMailNeo@web39406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Didn't the Bike Friday come with something like that to stick in there? ?I'm not going to look at the video anytime soon, but I believe the packing instructions emphasize some sort of thingy to stick in there. ? If not ... it's great advice and I highly recommend that everyone follow it. ?I have a plastic thingy that I stick in there that has a cap over the top. ? ? -G =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Growing up is a terribly hard thing to do. It is much easier to skip it and go from one childhood to another." F.S.F. >________________________________ > From: Harvey Sachs > > >...ever since, I've religiously inserted a length of 1-1/8" (29mm) hardwood dowel about 16 cm (almost 7") long into the steerer for shipment. FWIW, another piece of the same, except with a hole drilled through, serves as a fine fork blade separator, held in place by the QR assembly. I take that off to make the front wheel thinner, anyhow, and it doesn't get lost that way. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bikeboy999 at gmail.com Wed Apr 4 12:46:54 2012 From: bikeboy999 at gmail.com (brian martin) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 15:46:54 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F7CA52E.1010002@gmail.com> Well I was looking for a reason to be a good netizen. So replying and deleting everything makes me "good", hah. Any ways, when we purchased our set of NWTs. We purchased the suitcases and all packing materials. One that our tutor mentioned to us was very important was the plug encased in tubing that protects the steerer tube at top and the threads. I can see putting Lizard skin protectors on all the frames would work, but it would hide my British racing Green frame. BTW for anyone who is worried about locking their folders. Get it with the heavy upgrade, which gives a triangle for the lock(s) to fit through. Brian From anamerican at earthlink.net Thu Apr 5 12:10:47 2012 From: anamerican at earthlink.net (John Trotter) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2012 15:10:47 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Samsonite suitcase recurring problem Message-ID: <2930B5AA-99E6-4388-91F8-202311160BE4@earthlink.net> Hi, I have had the base of my Samsonite Flite case pull handle broken three times by the airlines in transit. One side comes completely detached from the suitcase body. Twice, I have had it fixed by a Samsonite authorized repair place here in New York City and those repairs have each lasted maybe one or two flights. I am hours away from solving this problem permanently with some epoxy unless someone else has a better idea. Do tell. Thanks in advance. John Trotter Brooklyn, NY From nickdarton at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 02:52:57 2012 From: nickdarton at gmail.com (Nick Darton) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 10:52:57 +0100 Subject: [Yak] Samsonite suitcase recurring problem In-Reply-To: <2930B5AA-99E6-4388-91F8-202311160BE4@earthlink.net> References: <2930B5AA-99E6-4388-91F8-202311160BE4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Thursday, April 5, 2012, John Trotter wrote: > Hi, > I have had the base of my Samsonite Flite case pull handle broken three times by the airlines in transit. One side comes completely detached from the suitcase body. Twice, I have had it fixed by a Samsonite authorized repair place here in New York City and those repairs have each lasted maybe one or two flights. I am hours away from solving this problem permanently with some epoxy unless someone else has a better idea. Do tell. > > Thanks in advance. > > John Trotter > Brooklyn, NY > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak Try duct taping it in place before handing it over at the airport. Same goes for the side latches and regular handle. Good luck Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luv2cycle at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 12:21:00 2012 From: luv2cycle at yahoo.com (janet anspach-rickey) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 12:21:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] New World Tourist For Sale Message-ID: <1333740060.11783.YahooMailClassic@web160101.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> 2.2 New World Tourist DD 27 for Sale Very good condition, Touring H handlebars, Dualdrive double shifter, SHimano Dynamo hub with front light, Dual drive 32o 3 x 8/9 Rear Hub, Schwalbe tires, front and back racks, fenders, Luggage case, back rack bag and kick stand. Red. Selling all at half price for $1050.00. Price is negotiable. I"m in Kingston, Washington. Janet -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davereynolds.ic at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 12:25:46 2012 From: davereynolds.ic at gmail.com (Dave Reynolds) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2012 14:25:46 -0500 Subject: [Yak] Wanted: Air Friday Message-ID: With 406 wheels, drop bars, internal hub. Dave Reynolds Iowa City sent from my Droid -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From galfromdownunder at gmail.com Sat Apr 7 11:40:50 2012 From: galfromdownunder at gmail.com (Galfromdownunder) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 14:40:50 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Handsomest Man in Cyberspace ... Message-ID: <644FC781-EC1A-428A-B83C-049E460C679D@gmail.com> Foldies, This is for the elevator full of BF folks who've asked me if my semi-seminal Bike Friday tale, "The Handsomest Man in Cuba" is available as an e-book. Apparently-as-of-recently-so! (Who knew?). It's a Google book, and you can get to it here: http://galfromdownunder.com/cuba/ebook Read more on this blog post: http://galfromdownunder.blogspot.com/2012/04/cuba-handsomest-man-in-cyberspace.html So now you can save a tree and feed a server farm instead! Lynette Chiang Be social and the networking will follow Words + Video + Intent www.galfromdownunder.com Author of The Handsomest Man in Cuba www.handsomestmanincuba.com Inventor of the Traffic Cone Bag? www.trafficconebag.com Phone 541-513-7711 (USA) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anamerican at earthlink.net Sat Apr 7 15:25:07 2012 From: anamerican at earthlink.net (John Trotter) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:25:07 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Samsonite suitcase recurring problem Message-ID: I've tried duct tape, which was pretty much worthless. I even hot glued it, but I have yet to try a rivet, with a metal backing. That might work. Not to find my very seldom used riveter. On Thursday, April 5, 2012, John Trotter wrote: > Hi, > I have had the base of my Samsonite Flite case pull handle broken three times by the airlines in transit. One side comes completely detached from the suitcase body. Twice, I have had it fixed by a Samsonite authorized repair place here in New York City and those repairs have each lasted maybe one or two flights. I am hours away from solving this problem permanently with some epoxy unless someone else has a better idea. Do tell. > > Thanks in advance. > > John Trotter > Brooklyn, NY > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak Try duct taping it in place before handing it over at the airport. Same goes for the side latches and regular handle. Good luck Nick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From better_communities at yahoo.com Sun Apr 8 16:17:36 2012 From: better_communities at yahoo.com (RSG) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 16:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] Large NWT for sale (link to photos) Message-ID: <1333927056.11035.YahooMailNeo@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> I wanted to pass along the link to photos of my NWT for sale.? http://www.flickr.com/photos/44034768 at N04/sets/72157629406673602/ L Kelly Green NWT Bike Friday gooseneck stem 3T drop bars ? Chris King Headset Shimano 105 triple crankset Shimano 105 front derailleur? Shimano LX rear derailleur? Shimano CS-HG50-9 11-32 cassette SRAM PC 951 chain (new) Shimano V-brake (front)? Avid Single Digit 7 V-brake (rear) Sun CR18 rims laced to Shimano 105 hubs Choice of new set of tires - Primo Comet Kevlar 37-406 or Schwalbe Stelvio 28-406 SRAM bar tape (new; needs to be installed) Seatpost Bike Friday white decal set (new) I'm the second owner. Sale does not include seat or pedals. Bike needs minor brake work (potentially new cables). New owner may want to update the brake levers, which is why I haven't installed the new bar tape. I'm asking for $950 for the bike, travel case and trailer kit. Shipping to be determined based on location. I'm open to meeting the buyer in SC, NC or VA.? I also have the following NEW items that we can discuss as part of the sale: Front folding rack, rear folding rack and packing system.? Thanks! Rob -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hmsachs at verizon.net Sun Apr 8 18:17:02 2012 From: hmsachs at verizon.net (Harvey Sachs) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 21:17:02 -0400 Subject: [Yak] travel case repairs... Message-ID: <4F82388E.2070602@verizon.net> I don't use mine as a trailer. When I suffered the same indignity, I drilled a hole in the case at the right spot (where the little screw at the base had mounted to a boss on the outside of hte case), and through-bolted with a fairly large washer on the inside. Seems to work ok now, but it's only one or two trips since then. harvey sachs mcLean va. Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 18:25:07 -0400 From: John Trotter To:yak at bikefriday.com Subject: [Yak] Samsonite suitcase recurring problem Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I've tried duct tape, which was pretty much worthless. I even hot glued it, but I have yet to try a rivet, with a metal backing. That might work. Not to find my very seldom used riveter. On Thursday, April 5, 2012, John Trotter wrote: > Hi, > I have had the base of my Samsonite Flite case pull handle broken three times by the airlines in transit. One side comes completely detached from the suitcase body. Twice, I have had it fixed by a Samsonite authorized repair place here in New York City and those repairs have each lasted maybe one or two flights. I am hours away from solving this problem permanently with some epoxy unless someone else has a better idea. Do tell. > Thanks in advance. > > John Trotter > Brooklyn, NY From jsallen at bikexprt.com Sun Apr 8 19:53:32 2012 From: jsallen at bikexprt.com (John S. Allen) Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2012 22:53:32 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Samsonite suitcase recurring problem In-Reply-To: References: <2930B5AA-99E6-4388-91F8-202311160BE4@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <0M2600B8SYU2VJ50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> This is only a problem with the newer-type case which has the extendable handle on the wide side. the older (Carlton?) case with the small handle on the narrow end doesn't have this problem. The tradeoff is that the older case is more cumbersome to walk with -- there is more weight on your hand and the case can more easily tip over -- also, its capacity is somewhat smaller. With my older right-fold NWT, I place the bicycle with the rear wheel at the right and crankset at the left of this case, so the rear tire doesn't sit on top of the recess for the handle, and the bicycle sits lower in the case. The bicycle is rotated 180 degrees compared with the instructions in the right-fold manual, which is online *with the pages in numerical order* at http://john-s-allen.com/friday/Friday%20right-fold%20manual.pdf (Last I looked on the copy on the BF site, the pages were in a different order, resulting from taking out the staples and copying the resulting two-page spreads...) FWIW -- I'm not sure how this would apply to a bicycle with a larger frame than my mid-size frame, or to a right-fold bike, or whether the older-type case is still made. But in any case (oops, pun ) I haven't had any problems with mine. At 05:52 AM 4/6/2012, Nick Darton wrote: >On Thursday, April 5, 2012, John Trotter ><anamerican at earthlink.net> wrote: > > Hi, > > I have had the base of my Samsonite Flite case pull handle broken > three times by the airlines in transit. One side comes completely > detached from the suitcase body. Twice, I have had it fixed by a > Samsonite authorized repair place here in New York City and those > repairs have each lasted maybe one or two flights. I am hours away > from solving this problem permanently with some epoxy unless > someone else has a better idea. Do tell. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > John Trotter > > Brooklyn, NY John S. Allen Technical Writer/Editor, http://sheldonbrown.com League Cycling Instructor #77-C jsallen *at* bikexprt.com http://bikexprt.com http://john-s-allen.com/blog http://bostonbiker.org/streetsmarts -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bikesandskis at gmail.com Sun Apr 8 20:15:00 2012 From: bikesandskis at gmail.com (Steve Davis) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 20:15:00 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Samsonite suitcase recurring problem In-Reply-To: <0M2600B8SYU2VJ50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> References: <2930B5AA-99E6-4388-91F8-202311160BE4@earthlink.net> <0M2600B8SYU2VJ50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6BB7C8FD-4E04-42F3-9B99-1154CE3A87F4@gmail.com> Just curious, how often does your bike travel with you in the flight case travel? It seems extremely unlucky to have had this happen more than once. Mine has flown with me at least a half dozen times in the last year without issues. Am I lucky? Or have you been unlucky? Steve Davis On Apr 8, 2012, at 7:53 PM, "John S. Allen" wrote: > This is only a problem with the newer-type case which has the extendable handle on the wide side. the older (Carlton?) case with the small handle on the narrow end doesn't have this problem. The tradeoff is that the older case is more cumbersome to walk with -- there is more weight on your hand and the case can more easily tip over -- also, its capacity is somewhat smaller. > > With my older right-fold NWT, I place the bicycle with the rear wheel at the right and crankset at the left of this case, so the rear tire doesn't sit on top of the recess for the handle, and the bicycle sits lower in the case. The bicycle is rotated 180 degrees compared with the instructions in the right-fold manual, which is online *with the pages in numerical order* at > > http://john-s-allen.com/friday/Friday%20right-fold%20manual.pdf > > (Last I looked on the copy on the BF site, the pages were in a different order, resulting from taking out the staples and copying the resulting two-page spreads...) > > FWIW -- I'm not sure how this would apply to a bicycle with a larger frame than my mid-size frame, or to a right-fold bike, or whether the older-type case is still made. But in any case (oops, pun ) I haven't had any problems with mine. > > At 05:52 AM 4/6/2012, Nick Darton wrote: > > >> On Thursday, April 5, 2012, John Trotter wrote: >> > Hi, >> > I have had the base of my Samsonite Flite case pull handle broken three times by the airlines in transit. One side comes completely detached from the suitcase body. Twice, I have had it fixed by a Samsonite authorized repair place here in New York City and those repairs have each lasted maybe one or two flights. I am hours away from solving this problem permanently with some epoxy unless someone else has a better idea. Do tell. >> > >> > Thanks in advance. >> > >> > John Trotter >> > Brooklyn, NY > John S. Allen > > Technical Writer/Editor, http://sheldonbrown.com > > League Cycling Instructor #77-C > > jsallen *at* bikexprt.com > http://bikexprt.com > http://john-s-allen.com/blog > http://bostonbiker.org/streetsmarts > > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anamerican at earthlink.net Sun Apr 8 22:27:50 2012 From: anamerican at earthlink.net (John Trotter) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 01:27:50 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Samsonite suitcase recurring problem In-Reply-To: <6BB7C8FD-4E04-42F3-9B99-1154CE3A87F4@gmail.com> References: <2930B5AA-99E6-4388-91F8-202311160BE4@earthlink.net> <0M2600B8SYU2VJ50@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> <6BB7C8FD-4E04-42F3-9B99-1154CE3A87F4@gmail.com> Message-ID: <92E7E0B2-68D8-4887-9088-345420C86614@earthlink.net> I guess I've been extremely unlucky. It would travel with me in the flight case about three times per year, but sometimes those trips also include bus and train travel, as well. Usually, I either ride the bike to the airport or take public transportation. I also use the suitcase as a trailer. John On Apr 8, 2012, at 11:15 PM, Steve Davis wrote: > Just curious, how often does your bike travel with you in the flight case travel? It seems extremely unlucky to have had this happen more than once. Mine has flown with me at least a half dozen times in the last year without issues. Am I lucky? Or have you been unlucky? > > Steve Davis From tcampbell23 at hot.rr.com Mon Apr 9 09:05:44 2012 From: tcampbell23 at hot.rr.com (Ted Campbell) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:05:44 -0500 Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag Message-ID: <4F8308D8.7040202@hot.rr.com> Hi, I am using my PRP for some commutes in which I take a Greyhound bus one way and then ride back either all the way or part way and then catch a bus. Currently I have a BF folding rear rack but find that it takes a rather long time to put the rack back on the bike. It probably takes me longer just to put the rear rake back on as it does to unfold and put the bike back together again. If I'm not carrying much I can roll up the compact TravelBag and put it in my CamelBak, but if I plan an overnight stay it's a much tigher fit to get the bag in and also the weight of the loaded CamelBak gets to be bothersome. So, other than carrying the TravelBag on the rear rack does anyone have any ideas of how to carry it? I was thinking of using a seatpost rear rack but am not sure how long this would take to mount & unmount. Ted From sheeranm at comcast.net Mon Apr 9 09:37:10 2012 From: sheeranm at comcast.net (Meredith Sheeran) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 12:37:10 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag In-Reply-To: <4F8308D8.7040202@hot.rr.com> References: <4F8308D8.7040202@hot.rr.com> Message-ID: <037901cd166f$117a2190$346e64b0$@net> http://www.xootr.com/crossrack-bike-rack.html have you seen this? Regards, Meredith -----Original Message----- From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On Behalf Of Ted Campbell Sent: April 09, 2012 12:06 PM To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag Hi, I am using my PRP for some commutes in which I take a Greyhound bus one way and then ride back either all the way or part way and then catch a bus. Currently I have a BF folding rear rack but find that it takes a rather long time to put the rack back on the bike. It probably takes me longer just to put the rear rake back on as it does to unfold and put the bike back together again. If I'm not carrying much I can roll up the compact TravelBag and put it in my CamelBak, but if I plan an overnight stay it's a much tigher fit to get the bag in and also the weight of the loaded CamelBak gets to be bothersome. So, other than carrying the TravelBag on the rear rack does anyone have any ideas of how to carry it? I was thinking of using a seatpost rear rack but am not sure how long this would take to mount & unmount. Ted _______________________________________________ Yak mailing list Yak at bikefriday.com http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak From ron at delko.net Mon Apr 9 10:04:27 2012 From: ron at delko.net (Ron Kokish) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 11:04:27 -0600 Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag In-Reply-To: <4F8308D8.7040202@hot.rr.com> References: <4F8308D8.7040202@hot.rr.com> Message-ID: When taking my Llama along in the car it folds into my bag (not the suitcase) easily enough with the BF rear rack still attached. I can even leave on the mounts for my Arkel handle bar bag. But I don't use a BF bike bag. I use a larger, more inexpensive one I found at Amazon. It's Cordura and sturdy enough except for the terrible sippers, which I replaced with Velcro fasteners. Unfortunately, it seems Amazon no longer has this bag, but here are 2 others that ought to work, since they are designed for bigger wheel bikes. http://www.amazon.com/Folding-Bike-Bag-Fits-Wheels/dp/B001EDYKGM/ref=sr_1_3? ie=UTF8&qid=1333990746&sr=8-3 http://www.amazon.com/Columba-inch-Folding-Bike-Bag/dp/B0015QUB66/ref=sr_1_2 ?ie=UTF8&qid=1333990746&sr=8-2 ********************************************************************** Ron Kokish Carbondale, Colorado (970)704-6149 ron at delko.net ********************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On Behalf Of Ted Campbell Sent: Monday, April 09, 2012 10:06 AM To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag Hi, I am using my PRP for some commutes in which I take a Greyhound bus one way and then ride back either all the way or part way and then catch a bus. Currently I have a BF folding rear rack but find that it takes a rather long time to put the rack back on the bike. It probably takes me longer just to put the rear rake back on as it does to unfold and put the bike back together again. If I'm not carrying much I can roll up the compact TravelBag and put it in my CamelBak, but if I plan an overnight stay it's a much tigher fit to get the bag in and also the weight of the loaded CamelBak gets to be bothersome. So, other than carrying the TravelBag on the rear rack does anyone have any ideas of how to carry it? I was thinking of using a seatpost rear rack but am not sure how long this would take to mount & unmount. Ted _______________________________________________ Yak mailing list Yak at bikefriday.com http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak From tcampbell23 at hot.rr.com Mon Apr 9 10:54:42 2012 From: tcampbell23 at hot.rr.com (Ted Campbell) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:54:42 -0500 Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag In-Reply-To: <037901cd166f$117a2190$346e64b0$@net> References: <4F8308D8.7040202@hot.rr.com> <037901cd166f$117a2190$346e64b0$@net> Message-ID: <4F832262.1060704@hot.rr.com> Thanks, that definitely looks like something that would work and would be quick to detach when packing the bike. I got the compact TravelBag since I was trying to keep the overall size down since sometimes I use a shuttle service we have here and the vehicles are smaller and don't have as big a carrying space to store things. On 04/09/2012 11:37 AM, Meredith Sheeran wrote: > http://www.xootr.com/crossrack-bike-rack.html > > have you seen this? > > Regards, > > Meredith > > > -----Original Message----- > From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On > Behalf Of Ted Campbell > Sent: April 09, 2012 12:06 PM > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag > > Hi, > I am using my PRP for some commutes in which I take a Greyhound bus one > way and then ride back either all the way or part way and then catch a bus. > Currently I have a BF folding rear rack but find that it takes a rather long > time to put the rack back on the bike. It probably takes me longer just to > put the rear rake back on as it does to unfold and put the bike back > together again. If I'm not carrying much I can roll up the compact TravelBag > and put it in my CamelBak, but if I plan an overnight stay it's a much > tigher fit to get the bag in and also the weight of the loaded CamelBak gets > to be bothersome. > > So, other than carrying the TravelBag on the rear rack does anyone have > any ideas of how to carry it? I was thinking of using a seatpost rear rack > but am not sure how long this would take to mount & unmount. > > > > Ted > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > > From olhiker2 at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 13:10:53 2012 From: olhiker2 at gmail.com (Carl Umland) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 13:10:53 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag Message-ID: Ted, Here's some other options to consider that eliminates the need for a rack. http://www.adventurecycling.org/store/index.cfm/product/632_85/revelate-viscasha.cfm http://www.adventurecycling.org/store/index.cfm/product/634_114/revelate-harness.cfm Carl in San Diego -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Does anyone have any information regarding bicycling the Interstate 70 corridor through Utah and Colorado? Has anyone used the Colorado maps? By corridor I mean interstate when necessary, parallel to interstate when available. We also were wondering how early in the year is "too early" to hit the mountains, especially when it comes to things being open in the spring. Thanks, Shirley and Herschel White -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lisa_wylie at hotmail.com Mon Apr 9 15:24:21 2012 From: lisa_wylie at hotmail.com (Lisa Wylie) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 15:24:21 -0700 Subject: [Yak] carrying compact travel bag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bike Friday has developed a bag that attaches to the seatpost. It looks big enough to possibly carry a tightly rolled up travel bag. Here's a photoof Alan Sholz with a prototype of the bag at Desert Camp (rhird photo down).http://www.bikefriday.com/blog/?p=637 BF says the bag will be available later this year. Perhaps you could be a beta tester.-Lisa in Portland, OR -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwogilvie at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 03:04:21 2012 From: bwogilvie at gmail.com (Brian Ogilvie) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:04:21 +0200 Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag In-Reply-To: <4F832262.1060704@hot.rr.com> References: <4F8308D8.7040202@hot.rr.com> <037901cd166f$117a2190$346e64b0$@net> <4F832262.1060704@hot.rr.com> Message-ID: If you have saddle loops, you could get a Carradice (or Carradice-style) saddlebag that would be big enough to hold the folded travel bag and some other stuff. With a Friday, there's no need to worry about the saddlebag rubbing on the tire, so the sky's the limit! Brian On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Ted Campbell wrote: > Thanks, that definitely looks like something that would work and would > be quick to detach when packing the bike. -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie From fietsbob at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 12:39:01 2012 From: fietsbob at gmail.com (robert clark) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:39:01 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Carrying a Compact TravelBag Message-ID: This thing lets you mount all sorts of stuff, a single pannier for example. off your seat post. http://www.xootr.com/crossrack-bike-rack.html Rixen and Kaul Klick-Fix has a number of brackets and bags and so forth , to fit things, and of course there is the Beam rack in most Bike shops makes hanging panniers work on Full Suspension MTB's From bikesandskis at gmail.com Tue Apr 10 12:42:16 2012 From: bikesandskis at gmail.com (Steve Davis) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 12:42:16 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Large NWT for sale (link to photos) In-Reply-To: <1333927056.11035.YahooMailNeo@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <1333927056.11035.YahooMailNeo@web160703.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've replied twice to the original poster but have not heard back. Just wondering if my emails are getting thru to them. Anyone else experience this? Steve Davis On Apr 8, 2012, at 4:17 PM, RSG wrote: > I wanted to pass along the link to photos of my NWT for sale. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/44034768 at N04/sets/72157629406673602/ > > L Kelly Green NWT > Bike Friday gooseneck stem > 3T drop bars > Chris King Headset > Shimano 105 triple crankset > Shimano 105 front derailleur > Shimano LX rear derailleur > Shimano CS-HG50-9 11-32 cassette > SRAM PC 951 chain (new) > Shimano V-brake (front) > Avid Single Digit 7 V-brake (rear) > Sun CR18 rims laced to Shimano 105 hubs > Choice of new set of tires - Primo Comet Kevlar 37-406 or Schwalbe Stelvio 28-406 > SRAM bar tape (new; needs to be installed) > Seatpost > Bike Friday white decal set (new) > > I'm the second owner. Sale does not include seat or pedals. Bike needs minor brake work (potentially new cables). New owner may want to update the brake levers, which is why I haven't installed the new bar tape. I'm asking for $950 for the bike, travel case and trailer kit. Shipping to be determined based on location. I'm open to meeting the buyer in SC, NC or VA. > > I also have the following NEW items that we can discuss as part of the sale: Front folding rack, rear folding rack and packing system. > > Thanks! > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billhoffman1 at verizon.net Tue Apr 10 17:07:36 2012 From: billhoffman1 at verizon.net (Bill Hoffman) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:07:36 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <97FC364BB4194298B5BC3E553804D3DB@BillPC> While I have not biked on I-70 in Utah except the easternmost 20 miles or so, it looks like for most of that corridor in Utah you don't have a choice unless you want to take a very long detour. Between Salina (exit 54) and US 6/191 (exit 156)--102 miles, there is no parallel alternate except for maybe one or two short stretches. The 30-odd miles from Salina to SR 10 appears to go through (more likely over) a mountain range, and then you're in a desert for almost 70 miles. Services might be very sparse in that entire 102 miles, and even more sparse away from the freeway. Also, I-70 has the only crossing of the Green River for 100 or more miles in either direction. Given this scenario, I would bite the bullet and use the freeway. It's legal in Utah, although probably not the most pleasant route. Also in your favor, besides directness, is a wide shoulder, good sightlines, and gentle grades. I don't think this freeway has very heavy traffic, but the Utah DOT website might give you traffic counts, maybe even percentage of trucks. As for how early spring comes to that area, I cannot answer. I've only been there in the summer and fall (and did encounter snow in mid-September once in Fairview, UT, which is north of I-70). Bill Hoffman, NWT #9901 Lancaster, PA > 2. Bike trip across Utah and Colorado (Shirley White) > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:22:16 -0400 > From: Shirley White > To: "yak at bikefriday.com" > Subject: [Yak] Bike trip across Utah and Colorado > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, fellow yaksters. We are planning a ride across Utah and Colorado and > are looking for a route we like. When checking Colorado information we > found that they have 2 established bike routes; the Interstate 70 corridor > east/west and the Interstate 25 corridor, north/south, and they sell > detailed bicycle maps for the different sections of the routes. We were > thinking of following 70 east to the Denver area, and then 25 south to > Pueblo, and then pick up the Adventure cycling route and going east to > Kansas. > > It has not been as easy to find similar information for Utah. We were > considering the Interstate 70 corridor beginning near Interstate 15 but we > have not found any information regarding bicycling that route. > > Does anyone have any information regarding bicycling the Interstate 70 > corridor through Utah and Colorado? Has anyone used the Colorado maps? > By > corridor I mean interstate when necessary, parallel to interstate when > available. > > We also were wondering how early in the year is "too early" to hit the > mountains, especially when it comes to things being open in the spring. > > Thanks, Shirley and Herschel White From turksla at ca.rr.com Wed Apr 11 21:52:37 2012 From: turksla at ca.rr.com (Turk Family) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 21:52:37 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: <97FC364BB4194298B5BC3E553804D3DB@BillPC> References: <97FC364BB4194298B5BC3E553804D3DB@BillPC> Message-ID: <00c101cd1868$15dcf500$4196df00$@ca.rr.com> I have driven the I-70 route through Utah and Colorado many times, but only bicycled some shorter portions in Colorado. Colorado should be fine, although I do recall that last July there were portions of the bike path above Glenwood Springs that were still underwater due to heavy spring snow melt. Bill's comments on the I-70 in Utah are spot-on. The highway does climb to nearly 8,000 feet in Fishlake National Forest, and does go very long distances across the desert with no services. Instead, if I had plenty of time, I would probably start from St. George and make my way east to Springdale (Zion National Park), then up to Bryce NP, continuing generally north east to Capitol Reef NP and Hanksville before joining the I-70 near Green River. I have driven that route in reverse - it would be a challenging ride, but far more scenic and you would pass through a number of small towns on the way so would have some access to basic services. You should also check out the Adventure Cycling Association's Western Express route for ideas - sections 3 and 4 would take you from Cedar City, UT to Pueblo, CO, but not using the I-70 corridor. Steve Turk Los Angeles -----Original Message----- From: Bill Hoffman [mailto:billhoffman1 at verizon.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 17:08 To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 10 While I have not biked on I-70 in Utah except the easternmost 20 miles or so, it looks like for most of that corridor in Utah you don't have a choice unless you want to take a very long detour. Between Salina (exit 54) and US 6/191 (exit 156)--102 miles, there is no parallel alternate except for maybe one or two short stretches. The 30-odd miles from Salina to SR 10 appears to go through (more likely over) a mountain range, and then you're in a desert for almost 70 miles. Services might be very sparse in that entire 102 miles, and even more sparse away from the freeway. Also, I-70 has the only crossing of the Green River for 100 or more miles in either direction. Given this scenario, I would bite the bullet and use the freeway. It's legal in Utah, although probably not the most pleasant route. Also in your favor, besides directness, is a wide shoulder, good sightlines, and gentle grades. I don't think this freeway has very heavy traffic, but the Utah DOT website might give you traffic counts, maybe even percentage of trucks. As for how early spring comes to that area, I cannot answer. I've only been there in the summer and fall (and did encounter snow in mid-September once in Fairview, UT, which is north of I-70). Bill Hoffman, NWT #9901 Lancaster, PA > 2. Bike trip across Utah and Colorado (Shirley White) > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:22:16 -0400 > From: Shirley White > To: "yak at bikefriday.com" > Subject: [Yak] Bike trip across Utah and Colorado > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, fellow yaksters. We are planning a ride across Utah and Colorado > and are looking for a route we like. When checking Colorado > information we found that they have 2 established bike routes; the > Interstate 70 corridor east/west and the Interstate 25 corridor, > north/south, and they sell detailed bicycle maps for the different > sections of the routes. We were thinking of following 70 east to the > Denver area, and then 25 south to Pueblo, and then pick up the > Adventure cycling route and going east to Kansas. > > It has not been as easy to find similar information for Utah. We were > considering the Interstate 70 corridor beginning near Interstate 15 > but we have not found any information regarding bicycling that route. > > Does anyone have any information regarding bicycling the Interstate 70 > corridor through Utah and Colorado? Has anyone used the Colorado maps? > By > corridor I mean interstate when necessary, parallel to interstate when > available. > > We also were wondering how early in the year is "too early" to hit the > mountains, especially when it comes to things being open in the spring. > > Thanks, Shirley and Herschel White From anamerican at earthlink.net Thu Apr 12 14:25:28 2012 From: anamerican at earthlink.net (John Trotter) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:25:28 -0400 Subject: [Yak] I-70 corridor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, You didn't say where you're going to start in Utah. In September 2010 I flew to Lake Powell to photograph for a few days, then got on my Bike Friday from my campsite, pulling the Samsonite and rode it up to Green River, Utah, via Kanab and Escalante. If you don't at least see a couple of the Utah National Parks I'm unclear about why you're bothering to ride in Utah to start with. The cycling from Escalante all the way to Hanksville is just about the best I've done anywhere and riding over Boulder Mountain and down into Torrey will prepare you for any climbing you'll do in Colorado. It's a hard ride, but incredibly beautiful. You should stop for at least a day in Capitol Reef N.P. once you get to Torrey. When I rode my bike across the U.S. in 1995 I stayed for several days. On the 2010 trip I left Hanksville late in the afternoon on September 11 and rode up State Route 24 to I-70. The sun went down and I turned on my super bright, lightweight and small Dinotte lights and enjoyed some of the finest night riding ever, with almost no traffic, as a crescent moon rose in the sky behind me. Riding the section of I-70 between the junction and Green River wasn't great fun, but I also never felt in danger with my 140 lumen rear light because the few drivers out there could see me for miles and there was that big old interstate shoulder. What I did next was to pack the bike into the suitcase and get on the early morning Amtrak California Zephyr out of Green River to Glenwood Springs. In 1995 I rode down to Moab and then crossed into Colorado via the La Sal Mountains. In the 2010 trip, my plan was to photograph my way down the Colorado River from Glenwood Springs, through Grand Junction, then down to Moab. I will tell you that Utah 128 between Moab and I-70 is a great ride, as you're going along the Colorado River almost the entire way. You can ride it the other way and then pick up I-70 most of the way to Grand Junction, until about Mack, CO. What's left of the old highway north of the interstate is deteriorating and not fit to ride west of Mack. I should give a shout-out to Brown Cycles in Grand Junction. Those guys were absolutely great and were able to give me some great local information. I ended up buying some Mr. Tuffy strips from them to line the tires of both my BF and my suitcase trailer because of the goat head thorns in that part of the world. I was puncturing every few miles until I did that. Save yourself the headache and put them in your tires before you go. Anyway, that's all I've got time to write now. There's actually an honest-to-goodness dedicated bike route between I-70 and the Colorado River going east from Glenwood Springs, but I don't know how far it goes. John Trotter Brooklyn, NY On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:00 PM, yak-request at bikefriday.com wrote: > > > >> 2. Bike trip across Utah and Colorado (Shirley White) >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:22:16 -0400 >> From: Shirley White >> To: "yak at bikefriday.com" >> Subject: [Yak] Bike trip across Utah and Colorado >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi, fellow yaksters. We are planning a ride across Utah and Colorado >> and are looking for a route we like. When checking Colorado >> information we found that they have 2 established bike routes; the >> Interstate 70 corridor east/west and the Interstate 25 corridor, >> north/south, and they sell detailed bicycle maps for the different >> sections of the routes. We were thinking of following 70 east to the >> Denver area, and then 25 south to Pueblo, and then pick up the >> Adventure cycling route and going east to Kansas. >> >> It has not been as easy to find similar information for Utah. We were >> considering the Interstate 70 corridor beginning near Interstate 15 >> but we have not found any information regarding bicycling that route. >> >> Does anyone have any information regarding bicycling the Interstate 70 >> corridor through Utah and Colorado? Has anyone used the Colorado maps? >> By >> corridor I mean interstate when necessary, parallel to interstate when >> available. >> >> We also were wondering how early in the year is "too early" to hit the >> mountains, especially when it comes to things being open in the spring. >> >> Thanks, Shirley and Herschel White > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > > End of Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 12 > *********************************** From ad182 at freeelectron.net Thu Apr 12 14:46:41 2012 From: ad182 at freeelectron.net (al davis) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 17:46:41 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Bike trip across Utah and Colorado In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <201204121746.41322.ad182@freeelectron.net> On Monday 09 April 2012, Shirley White wrote: > It has not been as easy to find similar information for > Utah. We were considering the Interstate 70 corridor > beginning near Interstate 15 but we have not found any > information regarding bicycling that route. > > Does anyone have any information regarding bicycling the > Interstate 70 corridor through Utah and Colorado? Has > anyone used the Colorado maps? By corridor I mean > interstate when necessary, parallel to interstate when > available. In such a beautiful place, why would you want to ride on the interstate? For crossing Utah, I strongly recommend that you consider Utah-12 .. All the way across, try this .... UT-9 through Zion, US-89, then UT-12 past Bryce, Escalante, UT-24 through Capitol Reef, UT-95 Hite's Crossing. Bring water. It's scarce along this route. From rltilley at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 20:27:28 2012 From: rltilley at gmail.com (Robert Tilley) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 20:27:28 -0700 Subject: [Yak] FS Bike Friday Project Q tandem Message-ID: Looking to get $2,500 plus shipping (if required). I picked this up a few years ago & it ends up that we just don't ride it much at all. I bought it used and we have put maybe 250 miles on it. It is in excellent condition and really needs to be ridden. The bike converts from a tandem to a single in about 10 minutes (that's what the video says...I haven't tried it out). The bike comes with two Carlton travel cases and Bike Friday packing material as well as the packing DVD. No trailer comes with the bike. As far as sizing goes I'm 5' 11" and my stoker is 5"2 & we were both comfortable on the bike. If I were to keep the bike I would likely spring for a new stem since I prefer the bars about level with the saddle and, as it is now, the bars are a few inches lower than the saddle. Specs of the bike are as follows: Brake levers/shifters - Shimano 105 STI Rear derailleur - Shimano XT Front derailleur - N/A Cranks (captain) - Shimano 105 (170 mm) Cranks (stoker) - Shimano 105 (165 mm) Cassette - 11x32 8 speed Headset - Chris King Brakes - SRAM 7.0 linear pull w/travel agents Drag Brake - Arai Rims - Sun CR18 Hub (front) - Phil Wood Hub (rear) - SRAM 3x (with chain) Handlebars (captain) - 3T (split) Handlebars (stoker) - Modolo (not split) Tires - Schwalbe Marathon Slick (20 x 1.35) Rack (Rear) - Blackburn Rack (Front) - Bike Friday No saddles or pedals included in the auction. The captain seatpost is unknown & the stoker seatpost is a suspension model. Other accessories include two spare Schwalbe Marathon slick tires and front & rear mirrors that mount in the bar ends of both the captain & stoker bars as well as 4 flexible water bottle cages. The stem is not adjustable & I measure 36" from the ground to the center of the handlebar clamp. Gearing is comprised of a 48T chainring, 11-32 8-speed cassette & 3x hub. Pictures of the bike can be seen here: http://roberttilley.smugmug.com/Bicycles/Bike-Friday-Project-Q-tandem/11369220_MSR3sW#!i=1785720047&k=McMQc5W If you have any questions or want any measurements let me know. I'd really prefer a local buyer & I can deliver probably within 100 miles or so from San Diego. If you are in the SoCal area & would like to see it in person let me know. I can break it down and ship it in the travel cases as well if need be. I also have a Yakima Sidewinder tandem rack that I will be selling as well. Robert Tilley San Diego, CA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at omick.com Fri Apr 13 06:51:12 2012 From: david at omick.com (David Omick/Pearl Mast) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 06:51:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] NWT for touring? Message-ID: <1334325072.20367.YahooMailNeo@web31812.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm late coming to this email string, but thought I'd put in my two cents worth.? I've owned my Pocket Llama for about 5 years and have found it to be an excellent bike for fully loaded touring.? I've toured on it twice from Arizona to Oregon and last summer, my partner Pearl and I rode coast to coast, she on her NWT and I on my Llama.? For my thoughts on the bikes for long distance touring, you can read the "Bike" sections of my journals at:?? http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/circusbears2011 http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/circusbear2010 http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/circusbear2008 Hope this helps in your deliberations. Cheers, David -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From david at omick.com Fri Apr 13 08:01:17 2012 From: david at omick.com (David Omick/Pearl Mast) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 08:01:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] NWT for touring? Message-ID: <1334329277.24341.YahooMailNeo@web31809.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just came across this link to an in-depth review of a NWT for fully loaded touring: http://bicycletouringpro.com/blog/ultimate-bike-friday-new-world-tourist-review/ Cheers, David? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ron at delko.net Fri Apr 13 12:17:54 2012 From: ron at delko.net (Ron Kokish) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:17:54 -0600 Subject: [Yak] I-70 corridor In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8026258E76134461887D87C959584361@ronPC> The dedicated bike route going east out of Glenwood Springs (The Glenwood Canyon Trail) is absolutely magnificent - a "must see." It is fully open again, after sustaining serious damage from raging high water throughout last July. (This year, we unfortunately are experiencing the opposite; drought conditions.) But this trail only goes 16 miles. From there to Denver, there are stretches of trail in some places (e.g. over Vail Pass and through parts of Summit County) and stretches where you easily share the road with automobiles (e.g. Dotsero to Edwards). Along these latter stretches there are often pleasant local trails not shown on most maps. In a few places however, you can't avoid pedalling along I-70 itself. ********************************************************************** Ron Kokish Carbondale, Colorado (970)704-6149 ron at delko.net ********************************************************************** -----Original Message----- From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On Behalf Of John Trotter Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 3:25 PM To: yak at bikefriday.com Cc: shirleyherschel at gmail.com Subject: Re: [Yak] I-70 corridor Hi, You didn't say where you're going to start in Utah. In September 2010 I flew to Lake Powell to photograph for a few days, then got on my Bike Friday from my campsite, pulling the Samsonite and rode it up to Green River, Utah, via Kanab and Escalante. If you don't at least see a couple of the Utah National Parks I'm unclear about why you're bothering to ride in Utah to start with. The cycling from Escalante all the way to Hanksville is just about the best I've done anywhere and riding over Boulder Mountain and down into Torrey will prepare you for any climbing you'll do in Colorado. It's a hard ride, but incredibly beautiful. You should stop for at least a day in Capitol Reef N.P. once you get to Torrey. When I rode my bike across the U.S. in 1995 I stayed for several days. On the 2010 trip I left Hanksville late in the afternoon on September 11 and rode up State Route 24 to I-70. The sun went down and I turned on my super bright, lightweight and small Dinotte lights and enjoyed some of the finest night riding ever, with almost no traffic, as a crescent moon rose in the sky behind me. Riding the section of I-70 between the junction and Green River wasn't great fun, but I also never felt in danger with my 140 lumen rear light because the few drivers out there could see me for miles and there was that big old interstate shoulder. What I did next was to pack the bike into the suitcase and get on the early morning Amtrak California Zephyr out of Green River to Glenwood Springs. In 1995 I rode down to Moab and then crossed into Colorado via the La Sal Mountains. In the 2010 trip, my plan was to photograph my way down the Colorado River from Glenwood Springs, through Grand Junction, then down to Moab. I will tell you that Utah 128 between Moab and I-70 is a great ride, as you're going along the Colorado River almost the entire way. You can ride it the other way and then pick up I-70 most of the way to Grand Junction, until about Mack, CO. What's left of the old highway north of the interstate is deteriorating and not fit to ride west of Mack. I should give a shout-out to Brown Cycles in Grand Junction. Those guys were absolutely great and were able to give me some great local information. I ended up buying some Mr. Tuffy strips from them to line the tires of both my BF and my suitcase trailer because of the goat head thorns in that part of the world. I was puncturing every few miles until I did that. Save yourself the headache and put them in your tires before you go. Anyway, that's all I've got time to write now. There's actually an honest-to-goodness dedicated bike route between I-70 and the Colorado River going east from Glenwood Springs, but I don't know how far it goes. John Trotter Brooklyn, NY On Apr 12, 2012, at 3:00 PM, yak-request at bikefriday.com wrote: > > > >> 2. Bike trip across Utah and Colorado (Shirley White) >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2012 17:22:16 -0400 >> From: Shirley White >> To: "yak at bikefriday.com" >> Subject: [Yak] Bike trip across Utah and Colorado >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> Hi, fellow yaksters. We are planning a ride across Utah and Colorado >> and are looking for a route we like. When checking Colorado >> information we found that they have 2 established bike routes; the >> Interstate 70 corridor east/west and the Interstate 25 corridor, >> north/south, and they sell detailed bicycle maps for the different >> sections of the routes. We were thinking of following 70 east to the >> Denver area, and then 25 south to Pueblo, and then pick up the >> Adventure cycling route and going east to Kansas. >> >> It has not been as easy to find similar information for Utah. We >> were considering the Interstate 70 corridor beginning near Interstate >> 15 but we have not found any information regarding bicycling that route. >> >> Does anyone have any information regarding bicycling the Interstate >> 70 corridor through Utah and Colorado? Has anyone used the Colorado maps? >> By >> corridor I mean interstate when necessary, parallel to interstate >> when available. >> >> We also were wondering how early in the year is "too early" to hit >> the mountains, especially when it comes to things being open in the spring. >> >> Thanks, Shirley and Herschel White > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > > End of Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 12 > *********************************** _______________________________________________ Yak mailing list Yak at bikefriday.com http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak From jsingletonnyc at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 14:52:06 2012 From: jsingletonnyc at yahoo.com (Jeff Singleton) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:52:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] For Sale: Tandems East Crank Shorteners (child pedal adaptors) In-Reply-To: <1329431113.26363.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <1329431113.26363.YahooMailNeo@web112618.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1334353926.64505.YahooMailNeo@web112614.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thanks for everybody's interest and help.? 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URL: From geoffreygee at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 21:08:02 2012 From: geoffreygee at yahoo.com (Geof Gee) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2012 21:08:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] Any recommendations for a Family Tandem Car hitch Carrier? In-Reply-To: References: <1325502950.2107.18.camel@home> Message-ID: <1334462882.24246.YahooMailNeo@web39402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Join the tandem at hobbes list. ?I'd ask there. ? http://www.thetandemlink.com/hobbes.html ? What car are you using? ?I'd think that for a lot of automobiles you would be able to get away with partially disassembling the bike just so it will fit inside. -G =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Growing up is a terribly hard thing to do. It is much easier to skip it and go from one childhood to another." F.S.F. >________________________________ > From: Jose Inu >To: yak at bikefriday.com >Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 11:06 PM >Subject: [Yak] Any recommendations for a Family Tandem Car hitch Carrier? > > > > > > > >My wife and son want to drive and ride, so I need to find a hitch carrier for our bf family tandem. >She's too small to put it on the roof. ?How do you carry your tandem in your car without pulling it a part? >I found this: > > >http://www.cyclesimplex.com/tandem-bike-racks.asp > > >has anyone used one? ?Any suggestions? > > >Thanks! >_______________________________________________ >Yak mailing list >Yak at bikefriday.com >http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrejs at ozolins.com Sun Apr 15 08:15:00 2012 From: andrejs at ozolins.com (Andrejs Ozolins) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:15:00 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Bike trip across Utah and Colorado In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F8AE5F4.30608@ozolins.com> On 4/9/12 5:22 PM, Shirley White wrote: > It has not been as easy to find similar information for Utah. We were > considering the Interstate 70 corridor beginning near Interstate 15 > but we have not found any information regarding bicycling that route. I've been away from email for a bit, thus late to this thread. My only experience in Utah is from a supported ride. On that occasion, we were transported west to east across Utah on I-70, then rode east to west from Blanding to St. George. So, I had a look at I-70 and environs -- I really wouldn't choose it to tour along. The biking route we took, on the other hand, was memorable each and every day, with variations in landscape and terrain that I'll never forget. As someone else wrote, there is a whole string of incomparable places to visit along the southern end of the state -- Bryce, Zion, Arches, etc. Unless my aim was only to get across the state, I wouldn't think that I-70 would have comparable attractions. Andrejs Ithaca, NY From andrejs at ozolins.com Sun Apr 15 08:21:09 2012 From: andrejs at ozolins.com (Andrejs Ozolins) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 11:21:09 -0400 Subject: [Yak] carrying compact travel bag In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F8AE765.9020305@ozolins.com> On 4/9/12 6:24 PM, Lisa Wylie wrote: > Bike Friday has developed a bag that attaches to the seatpost. > It looks big enough to possibly carry a tightly rolled up travel bag. Here's a photo > of Alan Sholz with a prototype of the bag at Desert Camp (rhird photo down). > http://www.bikefriday.com/blog/?p=637 > BF says the bag will be available later this year. Perhaps you could be a beta tester. I can't make out the bag in the third photo; the second photo has what looks like the VauDe bag I have and like very much. It has a "clik-fix" type clamp that is permanent on the seatpost; then, the bag's support clamps and unclamps onto that with a simple click. There is a proliferation of very similar seatpost bags under the VauDe and Detours brand, and some of them are not quite as useful as others. Mine is made of some canvas-like fabric, has pockets on each side, a rain cover in a rear pocket; there is a zippered bellows-like extension that enables the bag to become taller for extra storage. I got mine qite a long time ago but a friend of mine searched and found an identical one only last year, so they exist. If there is a Bike Friday version in the works, I'd be interested to see that, too. Andrejs Ithaca, NY From frank.mattheus at gmail.com Sun Apr 15 10:27:30 2012 From: frank.mattheus at gmail.com (Frank Mattheus) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 19:27:30 +0200 Subject: [Yak] carrying compact travel bag In-Reply-To: <4F8AE765.9020305@ozolins.com> References: <4F8AE765.9020305@ozolins.com> Message-ID: Take another loik at the second photo and look at the bright blue bag on the other bike. That is the one reffered to in the other post. On Apr 15, 2012 5:21 PM, "Andrejs Ozolins" wrote: > On 4/9/12 6:24 PM, Lisa Wylie wrote: > >> Bike Friday has developed a bag that attaches to the seatpost. >> It looks big enough to possibly carry a tightly rolled up travel bag. >> Here's a photo >> of Alan Sholz with a prototype of the bag at Desert Camp (rhird photo >> down). >> http://www.bikefriday.com/**blog/?p=637 >> BF says the bag will be available later this year. Perhaps you could be >> a beta tester. >> > I can't make out the bag in the third photo; the second photo has what > looks like the VauDe bag I have and like very much. It has a "clik-fix" > type clamp that is permanent on the seatpost; then, the bag's support > clamps and unclamps onto that with a simple click. There is a proliferation > of very similar seatpost bags under the VauDe and Detours brand, and some > of them are not quite as useful as others. Mine is made of some canvas-like > fabric, has pockets on each side, a rain cover in a rear pocket; there is a > zippered bellows-like extension that enables the bag to become taller for > extra storage. I got mine qite a long time ago but a friend of mine > searched and found an identical one only last year, so they exist. If there > is a Bike Friday version in the works, I'd be interested to see that, too. > > Andrejs > Ithaca, NY > ______________________________**_________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/**mailman/listinfo/yak > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sgoldenb at calpoly.edu Sun Apr 15 15:46:00 2012 From: sgoldenb at calpoly.edu (Stu Goldenberg) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 15:46:00 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Transporting a tandem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F8B4FA8.6060200@calpoly.edu> More often that not, I partially disassemble the tandem and put in inside the car. We also have a roof rack that requires the removal of the front wheel and secure the handlebars. The quick release/locking device on the roof rack pivots, so the front fork gets set in the quick release device. We have a rear drag brake which I can lock on, I then lift the bike and rotate it until the rear wheel is in the rack. Next I strap down rear wheel and put pin in front assembly to lock it in place. I can easily do it myself and I am only 5'6". Regarding the pictured rear rack, I would think it is illegal in many states because it sticks out too far on the sides. Also I think the tandem would be more prone to damage from other vehicles. Stu Goldenberg From gnisonbike at juno.com Sun Apr 15 17:08:19 2012 From: gnisonbike at juno.com (Glen Nison) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:08:19 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Burley Travoy Trailer for Camping Message-ID: <71A2242A-B501-4E12-B0FC-ADB9414A619D@juno.com> Hi Folks I'm considering purchasing a Burley Travoy trailer for use with my NWT. I've seen most of the you tube videos of it in action but haven't heard if anyone has used it for extended touring (I also have the BF trailer hitch and suitcase) - carrying camping gear, etc. instead of using panniers. If anyone has any experience with it please let me know. Also any thoughts of it as a general around town trailer too would be appreciated. Glen ____________________________________________________________ Get Free Email with Video Mail & Video Chat! http://www.juno.com/freeemail?refcd=JUTAGOUT1FREM0210 From maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 08:08:51 2012 From: maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com (Mahesh V) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:38:51 +0530 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - Message-ID: Folks, I just had my (Pocket Llama) bike shipped through FedEx from Oregon to Sunnyvale (to be collected by my friend and brought to india). The FedEx shipment site says the package weight is 29kgs (64 pounds). I have ordered the travel case and bike (without saddle, pedals) and I am a regular guy (5 ' 10" height) so no heavy rider upgrade to the bike. Why would the FedEx package weigh 29kgs ? :-(( I am a bit worried as the package exceeds 23kgs for flight checkin baggage weight. 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Andrejs Ithaca, NY On 4/16/12 11:08 AM, Mahesh V wrote: > I just had my (Pocket Llama) bike shipped through FedEx from Oregon to > Sunnyvale (to be collected by my friend and brought to india). > The FedEx shipment site says the package weight is 29kgs (64 pounds). > I have ordered the travel case and bike (without saddle, pedals) and I > am a regular guy (5 ' 10" height) so no heavy > rider upgrade to the bike. Why would the FedEx package weigh 29kgs ? :-(( > I am a bit worried as the package exceeds 23kgs for flight checkin > baggage weight. > Did you folks order your BFs through FedEx and had this significantly > high weight difference ? From bikesandskis at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 08:41:20 2012 From: bikesandskis at gmail.com (Steve Davis) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 08:41:20 -0700 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - In-Reply-To: <4F8C3A46.7010508@ozolins.com> References: <4F8C3A46.7010508@ozolins.com> Message-ID: <81D4ACDC-70B6-45EC-BFAD-F07D93B58597@gmail.com> My NWT with pedals and seat, shoes, small tool pouch, small cable lock, in the Samsonite flite case usually weighs in at around 47lbs. It adds up fast. I think if I were packing the trailer it would come close to exceeding the limit. Steve Davis On Apr 16, 2012, at 8:27 AM, Andrejs Ozolins wrote: > As I recall, Bike Friday packs the bike in the suitcase, then packs the suitcase in a box. The added weight is enough to put it over airline weight. but, for the air journey, you'd have your friend ditch the box and related materials. My experience is that the suitcase/bike combo usually has enough leeway to slip in my shoes and handlebar bag before hitting the weight limit. > Andrejs > Ithaca, NY > > > On 4/16/12 11:08 AM, Mahesh V wrote: >> I just had my (Pocket Llama) bike shipped through FedEx from Oregon to Sunnyvale (to be collected by my friend and brought to india). >> The FedEx shipment site says the package weight is 29kgs (64 pounds). >> I have ordered the travel case and bike (without saddle, pedals) and I am a regular guy (5 ' 10" height) so no heavy >> rider upgrade to the bike. Why would the FedEx package weigh 29kgs ? :-(( >> I am a bit worried as the package exceeds 23kgs for flight checkin baggage weight. >> Did you folks order your BFs through FedEx and had this significantly high weight difference ? > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak From maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 08:46:35 2012 From: maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com (Mahesh V) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:16:35 +0530 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - Message-ID: Thanks Andrejs and others. Travel case in a box is reassuring. Hopefully after my friend ditches the external box, the whole travel case should not weigh more than 20kgs. (this is without the pedals and saddle) Mahesh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(this is without the pedals and saddle) > Mahesh > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak From maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 09:03:16 2012 From: maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com (Mahesh V) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:33:16 +0530 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - In-Reply-To: <8966D133-607D-41C4-B73A-5B9A5490B4D0@gmail.com> References: <8966D133-607D-41C4-B73A-5B9A5490B4D0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Vik, No rack. Just the basic bike. I purchased minimal reusable packing material from BF. * * On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Vik Banerjee wrote: > Did you buy any racks with your bike? There will be an owner's manual, > DVD, reusable packing material and other items in the suitcase which will > add to the weight. > > safe riding, > > Vik Banerjee > threeohm at gmail.com > www.thelazyrando.com > > On 2012-04-16, at 8:46 AM, Mahesh V wrote: > > > Thanks Andrejs and others. Travel case in a box is reassuring. Hopefully > after my friend ditches the external box, the whole > > travel case should not weigh more than 20kgs. (this is without the > pedals and saddle) > > Mahesh > > _______________________________________________ > > Yak mailing list > > Yak at bikefriday.com > > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 09:20:05 2012 From: maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com (Mahesh V) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:50:05 +0530 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - In-Reply-To: <000601cd1bec$4eb5edf0$ec21c9d0$@ChainReaction.com> References: <000601cd1bec$4eb5edf0$ec21c9d0$@ChainReaction.com> Message-ID: Thanks Mike. I will wait for your weight update :) I am aware that the PL weighs more than the other pocket bikes or the tikit. But the package itself does not contain anything else other than the bike (sans pedals and saddle) so I guess it should fit within the airlines baggage limit of 23kgs (50 lbs). On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky wrote: > I?ll try to remember to weigh one of the cases when I get to the store > today. You?re safest to assume that your bike will go into the case and > you?ll be just under the limit, but I would not assume you?re going to have > any ?spare? weight left over. If your friend has elite status with an > airline, he or she may have a 70 pound weight limit, in which case it won?t > be an issue.**** > > ** ** > > We sell primarily PocketRockets, which weigh (by themselves) 21-23 pounds > (so there?s a fair amount of weight to play with); the Pocket Llama is a > considerably-heavier bike. There won?t be too much extra room in the case > anyway; things like tubes & shoes can fit into some of the nooks & > crannies, but I think someone said they put a helmet in the case? Not sure > how that could be done!**** > > ** ** > > Hope this helps-**** > > ** ** > > --Mike Jacoubowsky, Partner**** > > Chain Reaction Bicycles**** > > Redwood City & Los Altos, CA**** > > www.ChainReaction.com **** > > ** ** > > *From:* yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] *On > Behalf Of *Mahesh V > *Sent:* Monday, April 16, 2012 8:09 AM > *To:* yak at bikefriday.com > *Subject:* [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( -**** > > ** ** > > Folks,**** > > **** > > I just had my (Pocket Llama) bike shipped through FedEx from Oregon to > Sunnyvale (to be collected by my friend and brought to india).**** > > The FedEx shipment site says the package weight is 29kgs (64 pounds). **** > > I have ordered the travel case and bike (without saddle, pedals) and I am > a regular guy (5 ' 10" height) so no heavy**** > > rider upgrade to the bike. Why would the FedEx package weigh 29kgs ? :-((* > *** > > I am a bit worried as the package exceeds 23kgs for flight checkin baggage > weight.**** > > Did you folks order your BFs through FedEx and had this significantly high > weight difference ?**** > > **** > > Thanks**** > > Mahesh**** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deepak at rashminursinghome.com Mon Apr 16 09:25:47 2012 From: deepak at rashminursinghome.com (Deepak Rao) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 21:55:47 +0530 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - In-Reply-To: References: <000601cd1bec$4eb5edf0$ec21c9d0$@ChainReaction.com> Message-ID: Our NWTs in the Samsonites weigh in at about 18-19kgs, with saddle and pedals. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Mahesh V wrote: > Thanks Mike. I will wait for your weight update :) > I am aware that the PL weighs more than the other pocket bikes or the tikit. > But the package itself does not contain anything else other than the bike > (sans pedals and saddle) > so I guess it should fit within the airlines baggage limit of 23kgs (50 > lbs). > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky > wrote: >> >> I?ll try to remember to weigh one of the cases when I get to the store >> today. You?re safest to assume that your bike will go into the case and >> you?ll be just under the limit, but I would not assume you?re going to have >> any ?spare? weight left over. If your friend has elite status with an >> airline, he or she may have a 70 pound weight limit, in which case it won?t >> be an issue. >> >> >> >> We sell primarily PocketRockets, which weigh (by themselves) 21-23 pounds >> (so there?s a fair amount of weight to play with); the Pocket Llama is a >> considerably-heavier bike. There won?t be too much extra room in the case >> anyway; things like tubes & shoes can fit into some of the nooks & crannies, >> but I think someone said they put a helmet in the case? Not sure how that >> could be done! >> >> >> >> Hope this helps- >> >> >> >> --Mike Jacoubowsky, Partner >> >> Chain Reaction Bicycles >> >> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA >> >> www.ChainReaction.com >> >> >> >> From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On >> Behalf Of Mahesh V >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:09 AM >> To: yak at bikefriday.com >> Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - >> >> >> >> Folks, >> >> >> >> I just had my (Pocket Llama) bike shipped through FedEx from Oregon to >> Sunnyvale (to be collected by my friend and brought to india). >> >> The FedEx shipment site says the package weight is 29kgs (64 pounds). >> >> I have ordered the travel case and bike (without saddle, pedals) and I am >> a regular guy (5 ' 10" height) so no heavy >> >> rider upgrade to the bike. Why would the FedEx package weigh 29kgs ? :-(( >> >> I am a bit worried as the package exceeds 23kgs for flight checkin baggage >> weight. >> >> Did you folks order your BFs through FedEx and had this significantly high >> weight difference ? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mahesh > > > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > From maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 09:34:59 2012 From: maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com (Mahesh V) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 22:04:59 +0530 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - In-Reply-To: References: <000601cd1bec$4eb5edf0$ec21c9d0$@ChainReaction.com> Message-ID: Thanks Deepak, that was what I expected as well (around 20kgs max). Surprised to see the FedEx site listing the package size to be 29kgs. Anyway, hopefully the external paraphernalia should be the reason for the extra 10 kgs. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:55 PM, Deepak Rao wrote: > Our NWTs in the Samsonites weigh in at about 18-19kgs, with saddle and > pedals. > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at phred.org Mon Apr 16 09:34:58 2012 From: alex at phred.org (Alex Wetmore) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 16:34:58 +0000 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - In-Reply-To: References: <000601cd1bec$4eb5edf0$ec21c9d0$@ChainReaction.com> , Message-ID: <3AA12E2280EC024CBD52E0E0D78DB965103B06B7@CH1PRD0102MB160.prod.exchangelabs.com> My NWT and Tikit were always under 50lbs, even with a lot of stuff in the case. I packed a NWT once at under 40lbs by not putting extra stuff in the case (this was for an airline with a 33lb/15kg maximum, but they let it slide). FedEx and other shipping companies have a concept called dimension weight, where large packages will have a minimum weight that they'll be charged at. It is possible that your package is being shipped by dimensional weight, not be real weight. This is common when shipping full sized bicycles, but I haven't had that with a travel bike. The suitcase is the biggest source of weight after the bicycle. I wish that there were lighter suitcases available. My S&S bike goes into their "backpack case" that weighs about 7 or 8lbs, and the whole bike packs up with basic tools in about 35lbs. That is a much more comfortable weight range than the 45lbs that my Bike Friday normally ends up in. My S&S bike is a little lighter than my Bike Friday, but most of the difference in the packed weight is in the suitcase. alex ________________________________________ From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] on behalf of Deepak Rao [deepak at rashminursinghome.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 9:25 AM To: Mahesh V Cc: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - Our NWTs in the Samsonites weigh in at about 18-19kgs, with saddle and pedals. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Mahesh V wrote: > Thanks Mike. I will wait for your weight update :) > I am aware that the PL weighs more than the other pocket bikes or the tikit. > But the package itself does not contain anything else other than the bike > (sans pedals and saddle) > so I guess it should fit within the airlines baggage limit of 23kgs (50 > lbs). > > On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Mike Jacoubowsky > wrote: >> >> I?ll try to remember to weigh one of the cases when I get to the store >> today. You?re safest to assume that your bike will go into the case and >> you?ll be just under the limit, but I would not assume you?re going to have >> any ?spare? weight left over. If your friend has elite status with an >> airline, he or she may have a 70 pound weight limit, in which case it won?t >> be an issue. >> >> >> >> We sell primarily PocketRockets, which weigh (by themselves) 21-23 pounds >> (so there?s a fair amount of weight to play with); the Pocket Llama is a >> considerably-heavier bike. There won?t be too much extra room in the case >> anyway; things like tubes & shoes can fit into some of the nooks & crannies, >> but I think someone said they put a helmet in the case? Not sure how that >> could be done! >> >> >> >> Hope this helps- >> >> >> >> --Mike Jacoubowsky, Partner >> >> Chain Reaction Bicycles >> >> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA >> >> www.ChainReaction.com >> >> >> >> From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On >> Behalf Of Mahesh V >> Sent: Monday, April 16, 2012 8:09 AM >> To: yak at bikefriday.com >> Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - >> >> >> >> Folks, >> >> >> >> I just had my (Pocket Llama) bike shipped through FedEx from Oregon to >> Sunnyvale (to be collected by my friend and brought to india). >> >> The FedEx shipment site says the package weight is 29kgs (64 pounds). >> >> I have ordered the travel case and bike (without saddle, pedals) and I am >> a regular guy (5 ' 10" height) so no heavy >> >> rider upgrade to the bike. Why would the FedEx package weigh 29kgs ? :-(( >> >> I am a bit worried as the package exceeds 23kgs for flight checkin baggage >> weight. >> >> Did you folks order your BFs through FedEx and had this significantly high >> weight difference ? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Mahesh > > > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > _______________________________________________ Yak mailing list Yak at bikefriday.com http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak From thomas.mccause at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 12:26:20 2012 From: thomas.mccause at gmail.com (Thomas McCause) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 14:26:20 -0500 Subject: [Yak] NWT for sale on eBay Message-ID: it's a 58...and it's mine...feel free to check it out...and ask any questions! -Thomas -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rltilley at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 12:37:24 2012 From: rltilley at gmail.com (rltilley at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 19:37:24 +0000 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - Message-ID: <830892164-1334605046-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1907436258-@b2.c22.bise6.blackberry> For comparison's sake, I just packed a BF tandem into its two travel cases & the total weight was 79 lbs for both cases. This was including front & rear racks, spare tires & other accessories. I doubt that you'll have an issue getting your bike under the weight limit. Robert Tilley San Diego, CA -----------Original Message----------- From: Mahesh V To: yak at bikefriday.com Date: Apr 16 11:55:39 Subject: [Yak] FedEx Shipment Weight :( - Folks, ? I just had my (Pocket Llama) bike shipped through FedEx from Oregon to Sunnyvale (to be collected by my friend and brought to india). The FedEx shipment site says the package weight is 29kgs (64 pounds). I have ordered the travel case and bike (without saddle, pedals) and I am a regular guy (5 ' 10" height) so no heavy rider upgrade to the bike. Why would the FedEx package weigh 29kgs ? :-(( I am a bit worried as the package exceeds 23kgs for flight checkin baggage weight. Did you folks order your BFs through FedEx and had this significantly high weight difference ? ? Thanks Mahesh _______________________________________________ Yak mailing list Yak at bikefriday.com http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From ltierstein at earthlink.net Mon Apr 16 12:39:16 2012 From: ltierstein at earthlink.net (Leslie Tierstein) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 15:39:16 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: [Yak] Burley Travoy Trailer for Camping Message-ID: <17294522.1334605157548.JavaMail.root@elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Hi Glenn, Two friends of mine have the Travoy Trailer. I borrowed it once to haul a roll-a-board suitcase to be repaired. It did its job ok, but I don't think I'd like to go on tour with it -- I'd rather use panniers. One friend uses hers quite frequently, for runs to Target (about 5 miles one way) when she has to buy large items, eg, cat litter. However, it is enough of a pain that she much prefers to tour with panniers. In fact, it is enough of a pain that I just gave have an extra-large single pannier, so she could fit stuff larger than will be accommodated by her smallish touring panniers, and still not have to schlep around the travoy, except for those really large items. As an around-town trailer, it does fine for those large loads that can't be accommodated any other way. Leslie ------------------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 20:08:19 -0400 From: Glen Nison To: YAK Subject: [Yak] Burley Travoy Trailer for Camping Message-ID: <71A2242A-B501-4E12-B0FC-ADB9414A619D at juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Folks I'm considering purchasing a Burley Travoy trailer for use with my NWT. I've seen most of the you tube videos of it in action but haven't heard if anyone has used it for extended touring (I also have the BF trailer hitch and suitcase) - carrying camping gear, etc. instead of using panniers. If anyone has any experience with it please let me know. Also any thoughts of it as a general around town trailer too would be appreciated. Glen From shirleyherschel at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 14:51:46 2012 From: shirleyherschel at gmail.com (Shirley White) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:51:46 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Bike trip across Utah and Colorado Message-ID: Thank you to everyone who sent us advice and information on routes in Utah and Colorado. Shirley and Herschel White -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john63401 at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 15:20:42 2012 From: john63401 at gmail.com (J M) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:20:42 -0500 Subject: [Yak] WTB: Used Tikit Message-ID: Curious if anyone out there has a used Tikit they want to sell? John From doheir at gmail.com Mon Apr 16 20:40:16 2012 From: doheir at gmail.com (Douglas O'Heir) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 23:40:16 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Burley Travoy Trailer Message-ID: Glen, I purchased a Burley Travoy and have found it handy for around the town use behind both a Brompton and a Bike Friday. I had the same question myself whether it would be useful for touring, and this fellow seemed to give it both a good test and a good review: http://gearjunkie.com/burley-travoy-bike-tour I'm inclined to give it a try sometime this summer. Doug -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From will at hallam.ca Mon Apr 16 14:05:39 2012 From: will at hallam.ca (Will Hallam) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 17:05:39 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Burley Travoy Trailer for Camping In-Reply-To: <71A2242A-B501-4E12-B0FC-ADB9414A619D@juno.com> References: <71A2242A-B501-4E12-B0FC-ADB9414A619D@juno.com> Message-ID: I just bought one for my daughter to use to do her grocery shopping and it is a truly wonderful design. The feature I particularly like is the instant on and off connector which allows it to convert to a shopping cart for the grocery store. It also collapses into a fairly small flat configuration easily and within a few seconds (like say 15) for storage.(including popping off the wheels!) It rolls easily and is shorter overall than a trailer that attaches to the rear axle. I can't see any reason why it couldn't be used for extended touring. One additional benefit is the ability to run it up and down stairs and it is narrow enough to go through most doorways (about 28" wide from memory) My daughter may have to arm wrestle me for it... Will - (Pocket Gnu) On 2012-04-15, at 8:08 PM, Glen Nison wrote: > Hi Folks > I'm considering purchasing a Burley Travoy trailer for use with my NWT. I've seen most of the you tube videos of it in action but haven't heard if anyone has used it for extended touring (I also have the BF trailer hitch and suitcase) - carrying camping gear, etc. instead of using panniers. If anyone has any experience with it please let me know. Also any thoughts of it as a general around town trailer too would be appreciated. > Glen From suzlavine at hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 13:20:27 2012 From: suzlavine at hotmail.com (suzanne lavine) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 13:20:27 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Ireland Message-ID: Looking for recommendations on where to and where not to bike in Ireland. We'll be going there the end of August. Appreciate any insights. Suzanne -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luffing at usa.net Tue Apr 17 14:29:47 2012 From: luffing at usa.net (BILL CUMMINGS) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:29:47 -0500 Subject: [Yak] Fwd: Ireland Message-ID: <383qDqVCv0416S03.1334698187@web03.cms.usa.net> Suzanne: have you looked at the Lonely Planet book "Cycling Ireland"? It has some great itineraries, along with local recommendations for lodging. You might be able to get a recent version from you local library. I am particularly fond of their "Connemara and Inishmore" loop, which goes from Galway, to Inishmore [or stay in Carraroe], to Clifden, to Lenanne [beautiful town], to Westport, to Cong, and back to Galway. [Galway is an easy access from Shannon airport.] I liked this loop because the traffic did not seem to be too bad. If you stay in Westport, there is the "Great Western Greenway" http://www.discoverireland.ie/greenway As well, the area around Westport lends itself well for day trips. [Save a sunny day to go climb Croagh Patrick!!!] One issue with traveling in Ireland during August is that it is the height of the tourist season, and lodging can be at a premium, especially on weekends. You will want to arm yourself with good maps for the area that you visit. The best are available from Ordinance Survey. The "Discovery Series" located at http://www.irishmaps.ie/productlistingM.cfm?SeriesID=11 will display everything from an improved cow-path up through the Irish equivalent of a freeway. I presume that you are bringing your bike, but if not, there are some options to rent a decent ride. Bottom line: Cycling in Ireland is a true joy. ------ Original Message ------ Received: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 03:20:42 PM CDT From: suzanne lavine To: Subject: [Yak] Ireland Looking for recommendations on where to and where not to bike in Ireland. We'll be going there the end of August. Appreciate any insights. Suzanne _______________________________________________ Yak mailing list Yak at bikefriday.com http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak From robswayne at hotmail.co.uk Tue Apr 17 15:53:26 2012 From: robswayne at hotmail.co.uk (robert swayne) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 23:53:26 +0100 Subject: [Yak] Ireland Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, a group of us did the Irish End to End, ( Mizen Head to Malin Head, over 10 days), a couple of years ago, on my favourite day I think we stayed in Kenmare. The ride the next day was a long climb to the Gap of Dunloe, where there's a cafe, a little further on we turned right, the best bit, signed the Black Valley, up and down through some great scenery, to Molls Gap, which is somewhat (in)famous, (Moll was a Lady of Ill Repute), there is a restaurant there now. I think we finished the day in Tralee. I don't know how strong you are, but I was glad of my low gears, (17"). As well as the scenery it's the characters we met that made it a great trip. Cheers, Rob. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From suzlavine at hotmail.com Tue Apr 17 15:59:39 2012 From: suzlavine at hotmail.com (suzanne lavine) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:59:39 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Ireland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for response. How were roads, did you feel safe biking with the narrow road/traffic? From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On Behalf Of robert swayne Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2012 3:53 PM To: yak bikefriday Subject: [Yak] Ireland Hi Suzanne, a group of us did the Irish End to End, ( Mizen Head to Malin Head, over 10 days), a couple of years ago, on my favourite day I think we stayed in Kenmare. The ride the next day was a long climb to the Gap of Dunloe, where there's a cafe, a little further on we turned right, the best bit, signed the Black Valley, up and down through some great scenery, to Molls Gap, which is somewhat (in)famous, (Moll was a Lady of Ill Repute), there is a restaurant there now. I think we finished the day in Tralee. I don't know how strong you are, but I was glad of my low gears, (17"). As well as the scenery it's the characters we met that made it a great trip. Cheers, Rob. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fietsbob at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 19:15:33 2012 From: fietsbob at gmail.com (robert clark) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:15:33 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Any recommendations for a Family Tandem Car hitch Message-ID: Rather than a receiver hitch rack, get the hitch receiver installed , but get a trailer rather than a rack,. you can haul the bike, bikes, in the trailer , but you cannot haul gardening supplies, the rented roto tiller, lawn mower, and so forth on a bike rack. From bwogilvie at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 00:53:33 2012 From: bwogilvie at gmail.com (Brian Ogilvie) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 09:53:33 +0200 Subject: [Yak] Ireland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Suzanne: a couple years ago my wife and I did a 9-day tour in western Ireland, which was organized by Iron Donkey. They did the work of booking lodging for us and suggesting itineraries. We had a grand time. We started in Ennis (near Shannon), cycled through County Clare to Lisdoonvarna, did a day trip around the Burren, took a ferry to Inishmore, and then headed north to Connemara, passing through Clifden, Leenane, and Westport. Bring warm clothes; even in August, temperatures are often in the 50s Fahrenheit. My CrazyGuy journal gives more details than you could want: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/brianogilvieireland2010 Brian On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 10:20 PM, suzanne lavine wrote: > Looking for recommendations on where to and where not to bike in Ireland. > We?ll be going there the end of August. Appreciate any insights. > > Suzanne -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie From robswayne at hotmail.co.uk Wed Apr 18 14:55:50 2012 From: robswayne at hotmail.co.uk (robert swayne) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:55:50 +0100 Subject: [Yak] Ireland Message-ID: Hi Suzanne, I live in the county of Devon in the UK so the roads weren't very different, we usually stay away from the busier main roads, but the lanes are inclined to be steeper, and the surfaces not so good. But of course the hillier bits are the most scenic. I imagine the real touristy roads such as the Ring of Kerry might not be very pleasant, with coaches etc. I agree with Bill about the maps, and the weather, we had every thing from brilliant sun shine to a downpour with head wind. My last email about the ride from Kenmare was wrong, we climbed up to Molls Gap and the cafe, on, then right signed the Black Valley, through the Gap of Dunloe through to Kate Kearney's Cottage, finishing at Tralee. My friend, Paul wrote his version of the trip at www.paulharman.co.uk but he didn't do the ride through the Black valley. Cheers, Rob. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From frkrygow at yahoo.com Wed Apr 18 18:45:19 2012 From: frkrygow at yahoo.com (Frank Krygowski) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 18:45:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] Ireland In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1334799919.6614.YahooMailClassic@web110609.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> suzanne lavine wrote: > > Looking for recommendations on where to and where not to > bike in Ireland. > We'll be going there the end of August. Appreciate any > insights. > > Suzanne Back in 1992, we landed in Dublin, took the train to Killarney, and rode out to the end of the Dingle Peninsula, then up the west coast through the Burren, then back across to Newgrange and Dublin. We were on standard touring bikes, probably 28mm tires. Back then, I wished I'd used 32mm. The roads were not potholed, but it seemed miles and miles were losing the top 1/4" coat of asphalt. Thousands of times we were jarred up 1/4" then down 1/4". But since then, Ireland's economy has soared and crashed. so the roads may be much different now. Regarding what to see: I'm a big fan of Irish "trad" (traditional music). Since someone mentioned Westport, if you're there, don't miss Matt Molloy's pub - he's one of the greats, and there's great music to be heard there. The Burren is pretty amazing. Definitely worth a visit. Further south, the town of Doolin is famous for it's trad. But when we were there, the pubs were crowded beyond standing room only. Worth stopping, but if there's a less crowded time, it would have been better. The Cliffs of Moher are just south of Doolin. Amazing! And further yet south is the Dingle Peninsula. Some very interesting prehistoric and very early Christian sites are worth seeing. We also enjoyed a visit to Great Blasket island. Heard great music in the town of Dingle, too. Just south of the Dingle Peninsula is the Ring of Kerry. It's supposedly one of Ireland's most beautiful drives, but I heard several times it's too crowded with tourist cars to make for pleasant biking. The Dingle Peninsula was a fine alternative. BTW, we found central Ireland to be quite a bit less interesting than the West, or than Newgrange and Dublin. Oh, and the whole trip was WET! Take fenders and rain gear, for sure. If you do want to catch more intimate traditional music sessions, consider visiting www.thesession.org and searching for sessions in the towns you'll pass through. Hope this helps. Just for fun, you might want to read the hilarious book _Ireland, a Bicycle and a Tin Whistle_ by David Wilson. And learn some Irish tunes on the tin whistle you take along! ;-) - Frank Krygowski From wandt at me.com Thu Apr 19 11:35:25 2012 From: wandt at me.com (wes and tara) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 11:35:25 -0700 Subject: [Yak] FS: dNWT Message-ID: I have a great NWT for sale. It was just built this past winter, but my needs require a smaller fold. Specs: Ink black, 56cm, disc brakes, SRAM DD rear hub, SRAM i-light D7 dynamo, Shimano hollowtech cranks. Please email me if you are interested for more specific information and/or pics. Thanks Wes From jsallen at bikexprt.com Fri Apr 20 18:28:33 2012 From: jsallen at bikexprt.com (John S. Allen) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:28:33 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Fwd: Steamboat a Comin' -- interesting tandem tour proposal Message-ID: <4167a474e8f60b7f6885d24e3ddc6fcf.squirrel@email.powweb.com> ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Fwd: Steamboat a Comin' From: "John Schubert" Date: Fri, April 20, 2012 1:25 pm To: george at georgeretseck.com mhillman at aol.com wendy at riedy.us hsachs at alumni.rice.edu scott at langensteketee.com jsallen at bikexprt.com res1866 at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fellow tandemists, This is the experience of a lifetime. I was on the 2006 rendition of this event, and it was soooo well done. I suggest you look into attending. It's not cheap, but it sure is spectacular. In '06, I rode through Robert Johnson's crossroads, through the grounds of Louisiana's Angola prison (with a prison guard sharing the tandem!), down the Natchez trace parkway, and to the heart of the blues at the Ground Zero Blues Cafe in Clarksdale, Mississippi. My room on the Delta Queen had been previously used by Amy Carter, daughter of the president. Anne and I are sending in our non-binding 'yes.' This'll be good. JS -----Original Message----- From: Tandem Updates To: Schubley Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 6:55 pm Subject: Steamboat a Comin' [ If you only have a minute, it's OK to skip down to the bulleted list. -Bill ] Dear Steamboat and Tandem Enthusiasts, S-t-e-a-m-boat A-Comin' was a phrase penned by Mark Twain, whose works I studied in college. In 1858, when Twain earned his pilot's license, nearly 1,000 overnight steamboats plied America's rivers. When we shared our Delta Queen voyage from Memphis to New Orleans, just three steamboats remained. Now there's only one. In 2007 the Mississippi Queen was gutted for a rebuild that never happened. Last year the MQ was scrapped. The older Delta Queen escaped the scrapyard, but lost the congressional battle that permitted her to operate. Now tied up in Chattanooga, the DQ has been reduced to a floating hotel. The grandest of America's steamboats, the American Queen had only operated eleven seasons when the owner of all three steamboats decided to throw in the towel. Repossessed and towed to Texas, the AQ might have become a gambling boat if it weren't for her steam boilers. Fortunately, a group spearheaded by former execs of the Delta Queen Steamboat Company was able to raise millions, tow the AQ back to the Mississippi and rebuild her over this past winter. LAST WEEK the American Queen re-entered service with a cruise starting from New Orleans. One of the those working for the new company is the guy who put together Santana's charters. After he called me last September, it didn't take us long to figure out that another charter wouldn't work. The AQ has twice as many rooms as the Delta Queen, and the company's week-long itineraries don't permit any of the great rides we experienced with Santana's day-shorter cruise. "But if you guys ever need to arrive in New Orleans a day early and a dollar short," I joked "I'd love to repeat the itinerary we did in 2007." Yesterday I received a call. It seems the owners of America's last steamboat have hooked a big fish. A major US corporation wants a one-week cruise out of New Orleans next April. The only catch is they want the board the boat on the afternoon of the 14th, a day earlier than allowed by the already-published schedule. When my friend asked me if I could fill a six night downriver charter from Memphis next April, I laughed. While the AQ is far more luxurious than the DQ, it's over twice as large. "What if I told you I've found another group to share the boat?" he asked. "They'd need to settle for our itinerary, and not mess with our bikes." "Done." "Who wants to share a steamboat cruise that won't stop at Vicksburg or Baton Rouge?" "Smithsonian." Suddenly this made sense. Smithsonian is the group that dropped the 2006 charter that we picked up after Katrina. Their immensely-expensive Civil War charter (also six nights) used college profs, famous authors and a quartet of big buses. With buses, Smithsonian's group wouldn't need to tie up in the normal ports. "Are you still there?" he asked. "Thinking." I replied. It didn't take long. "It can't work." I then explained to him that Santana's risk was simply too high. A year wasn't enough time to fill half a boat. Two hours later he called me back. His offer was a charter that would require Santana to fill one-third of the American Queen. When I hesitated, he gave me until Monday to decide. Jan's answer was a predictable no. In the past 30 days Santana committed to two 2013 charters with Lueftner Cruises. Although these European charters are already mostly full, Jan reminded me that we also have a few spaces left for New Zealand next March. In short, between next March and July the two of us are producing three huge tours that max out at 180 couples --- and we still need 30 couples to fill those trips. She wondered how many more couples will be interested in the Mississippi. My response was to tell her I think lots of tandem couples don't have passports, and wish to see America. I also reminded her that many of YOU, the 150 couples who shared this experience, have told us you'd love to do it again. Jan then asked me to contact YOU (vets of our Big River tours of '06 and '07) to gauge if there's enough interest to make this work. If enough of you are excited about this trip, we'll move forward. If interest is insufficient, the plan (which is barely twelve hours old) will die on Monday. Because we don't need your check (yet) your answer is easy. After you read the further deal-points below, just send us a one word reply. Deal points: ???Six nights cruise on the American Queen. ???Seven days of rides. ???Nearly the same as in '06 (which couldn't end in New Orleans). ???Closer to '07 (when we docked for an AM ride in New Orleans). ???Easier than our earlier schedules because the AQ is a bit faster. ???An extra hour for our Clarksville & Natchez Trace rides. ???Starts in Memphis on April 8, 2013. ???Ends in New Orleans with an AM ride on April 14, 2013. ???Shared boat with non-cyclists and??? ??????(possibly) single bike riders (the AQ has single-berth rooms) ???Pricing needs to be 15% higher than in '06 and '07, but??? ???AQ's staterooms are twice as quiet and ~50% larger. ???The availability of large double beds is guaranteed ???Jan also reminds me that AQ will have adequate hot water! ???America's last Steamboat was built to luxurious standards??? ??????and was completely refurbished over the past six months. ???AQ includes beer or wine with dinner. Free soft-drinks all day. Non-binding votes needed. We want to know if you are IN or OUT. While maybes can't be counted, we'll entertain longer answers. Because Jan is busy filling our European charters for 2013 (4 rooms left on Paris to Amsterdam and 15 still open on Tour de France) we need to do this by e-mail. Can we please have your IN or OUT reply by late Saturday? (If you simply ignore this we might phone you on Sunday.) Just tap a link and then send us your note -Bill and Jan McCready IN --- use this link and tap the send key (takes 2 seconds) OUT --- this link can also be used for maybe PS: While this note is only going exclusively to the couples who shared our original Mississippi cruises, if you have friends who you think might be interested in joining us, please feel free to tap the ???forward to a friend link.??? PPS: If your friends who receive this are enthusiastic, their ???IN??? vote can be tallied (thru Sunday) if they take a few seconds to type their names and a phone number into their e-email This message was sent to Schubley at aol.com from: Santana Cycles, Inc | P.O. Box 206 | La Verne, CA 91750 Email Marketing by Unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dougvance at husbandwi.com Sat Apr 21 12:01:02 2012 From: dougvance at husbandwi.com (Doug Vance) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 12:01:02 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Fwd: Steamboat a Comin' -- interesting tandem tour proposal In-Reply-To: <4167a474e8f60b7f6885d24e3ddc6fcf.squirrel@email.powweb.com> References: <4167a474e8f60b7f6885d24e3ddc6fcf.squirrel@email.powweb.com> Message-ID: Got an estimate of the cost? On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:28 PM, John S. Allen wrote: > ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- > Subject: Fwd: Steamboat a Comin' > From: "John Schubert" > Date: Fri, April 20, 2012 1:25 pm > To: george at georgeretseck.com > mhillman at aol.com > wendy at riedy.us > hsachs at alumni.rice.edu > scott at langensteketee.com > jsallen at bikexprt.com > res1866 at yahoo.com > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Fellow tandemists, > > > This is the experience of a lifetime. I was on the 2006 rendition of this > event, and it was soooo well done. > > > I suggest you look into attending. > > > It's not cheap, but it sure is spectacular. In '06, I rode through Robert > Johnson's crossroads, through the grounds of Louisiana's Angola prison > (with a prison guard sharing the tandem!), down the Natchez trace parkway, > and to the heart of the blues at the Ground Zero Blues Cafe in Clarksdale, > Mississippi. My room on the Delta Queen had been previously used by Amy > Carter, daughter of the president. > > > Anne and I are sending in our non-binding 'yes.' This'll be good. > > > JS > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tandem Updates > To: Schubley > Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 6:55 pm > Subject: Steamboat a Comin' > > > > [ If you only have a minute, it's OK to skip down to the bulleted > list. -Bill ] > > > Dear Steamboat and Tandem Enthusiasts, > > S-t-e-a-m-boat A-Comin' was a phrase penned by Mark Twain, whose > works I studied in college. In 1858, when Twain earned his pilot's > license, nearly 1,000 overnight steamboats plied America's rivers. > When we shared our Delta Queen voyage from Memphis to New Orleans, > just three steamboats remained. Now there's only one. > > In 2007 the Mississippi Queen was gutted for a rebuild that never > happened. Last year the MQ was scrapped. The older Delta Queen > escaped the scrapyard, but lost the congressional battle that > permitted her to operate. Now tied up in Chattanooga, the DQ has > been reduced to a floating hotel. The grandest of America's > steamboats, the American Queen had only operated eleven seasons when > the owner of all three steamboats decided to throw in the towel. > Repossessed and towed to Texas, the AQ might have become a gambling > boat if it weren't for her steam boilers. Fortunately, a group > spearheaded by former execs of the Delta Queen Steamboat Company was > able to raise millions, tow the AQ back to the Mississippi and > rebuild her over this past winter. LAST WEEK the American Queen > re-entered service with a cruise starting from New Orleans. > > One of the those working for the new company is the guy who put > together Santana's charters. After he called me last September, it > didn't take us long to figure out that another charter wouldn't > work. The AQ has twice as many rooms as the Delta Queen, and the > company's week-long itineraries don't permit any of the great rides > we experienced with Santana's day-shorter cruise. > > "But if you guys ever need to arrive in New Orleans a day early and > a dollar short," I joked "I'd love to repeat the itinerary we did in > 2007." > > Yesterday I received a call. It seems the owners of America's last > steamboat have hooked a big fish. A major US corporation wants a > one-week cruise out of New Orleans next April. The only catch is > they want the board the boat on the afternoon of the 14th, a day > earlier than allowed by the already-published schedule. When my > friend asked me if I could fill a six night downriver charter from > Memphis next April, I laughed. While the AQ is far more luxurious > than the DQ, it's over twice as large. > > "What if I told you I've found another group to share the boat?" he > asked. > > "They'd need to settle for our itinerary, and not mess with our > bikes." > > "Done." > > "Who wants to share a steamboat cruise that won't stop at Vicksburg > or Baton Rouge?" > > "Smithsonian." > > Suddenly this made sense. Smithsonian is the group that dropped the > 2006 charter that we picked up after Katrina. Their > immensely-expensive Civil War charter (also six nights) used college > profs, famous authors and a quartet of big buses. With buses, > Smithsonian's group wouldn't need to tie up in the normal ports. > > "Are you still there?" he asked. > > "Thinking." I replied. > > It didn't take long. > > "It can't work." > > I then explained to him that Santana's risk was simply too high. A > year wasn't enough time to fill half a boat. > > Two hours later he called me back. His offer was a charter that > would require Santana to fill one-third of the American Queen. When > I hesitated, he gave me until Monday to decide. > > Jan's answer was a predictable no. In the past 30 days Santana > committed to two 2013 charters with Lueftner Cruises. Although these > European charters are already mostly full, Jan reminded me that we > also have a few spaces left for New Zealand next March. In short, > between next March and July the two of us are producing three huge > tours that max out at 180 couples --- and we still need 30 couples > to fill those trips. She wondered how many more couples will be > interested in the Mississippi. My response was to tell her I think > lots of tandem couples don't have passports, and wish to see > America. I also reminded her that many of YOU, the 150 couples who > shared this experience, have told us you'd love to do it again. Jan > then asked me to contact YOU (vets of our Big River tours of '06 and > '07) to gauge if there's enough interest to make this work. > > If enough of you are excited about this trip, we'll move forward. If > interest is insufficient, the plan (which is barely twelve hours > old) will die on Monday. > > Because we don't need your check (yet) your answer is easy. After > you read the further deal-points below, just send us a one word > reply. > > Deal points: > > ?Six nights cruise on the American Queen. > ?Seven days of rides. > ?Nearly the same as in '06 (which couldn't end in New Orleans). > ?Closer to '07 (when we docked for an AM ride in New Orleans). > ?Easier than our earlier schedules because the AQ is a bit faster. > ?An extra hour for our Clarksville & Natchez Trace rides. > ?Starts in Memphis on April 8, 2013. > ?Ends in New Orleans with an AM ride on April 14, 2013. > ?Shared boat with non-cyclists and? > ??(possibly) single bike riders (the AQ has single-berth rooms) > ?Pricing needs to be 15% higher than in '06 and '07, but? > ?AQ's staterooms are twice as quiet and ~50% larger. > ?The availability of large double beds is guaranteed > ?Jan also reminds me that AQ will have adequate hot water! > ?America's last Steamboat was built to luxurious standards? > ??and was completely refurbished over the past six months. > ?AQ includes beer or wine with dinner. Free soft-drinks all day. > > Non-binding votes needed. We want to know if you are IN or OUT. > While maybes can't be counted, we'll entertain longer answers. > Because Jan is busy filling our European charters for 2013 (4 rooms > left on Paris to Amsterdam and 15 still open on Tour de France) we > need to do this by e-mail. > > Can we please have your IN or OUT reply by late Saturday? > > (If you simply ignore this we might phone you on Sunday.) > > Just tap a link and then send us your note > > -Bill and Jan McCready > > IN --- use this link and tap the send key (takes 2 seconds) > > OUT --- this link can also be used for maybe > > > PS: While this note is only going exclusively to the couples who > shared our original Mississippi cruises, if you have friends who you > think might be interested in joining us, please feel free to tap the > ?forward to a friend link.? > > PPS: If your friends who receive this are enthusiastic, their > ?IN? vote can be tallied (thru Sunday) if they take a few > seconds to type their names and a phone number into their e-email > > > > > > > This message was sent to Schubley at aol.com from: > > Santana Cycles, Inc | P.O. Box 206 | La Verne, CA 91750 > > > > Email Marketing by > > > > > > > Unsubscribe > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dante_lanzetta at sbcglobal.net Sat Apr 21 12:55:16 2012 From: dante_lanzetta at sbcglobal.net (dante_lanzetta at sbcglobal.net) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 15:55:16 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 20 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09c2d216-be58-4c5f-9f17-a0c54d04a777@blur> Maybe if I have to ask, I can't afford it, but what is the proposed price? Dante Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID -----Original message----- From: yak-request at bikefriday.com To: yak at bikefriday.com Sent: Sat, Apr 21, 2012 15:00:12 EDT Subject: Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 20 Send Yak mailing list submissions to yak at bikefriday.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to yak-request at bikefriday.com You can reach the person managing the list at yak-owner at bikefriday.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Yak digest..." Let's be good netizens! When replying to a digest message please remember to trim away the excess text of other messages and replies. Today's Topics: 1. Fwd: Steamboat a Comin' -- interesting tandem tour proposal (John S. Allen) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 21:28:33 -0400 From: "John S. Allen" To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: [Yak] Fwd: Steamboat a Comin' -- interesting tandem tour proposal Message-ID: <4167a474e8f60b7f6885d24e3ddc6fcf.squirrel at email.powweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Fwd: Steamboat a Comin' From: "John Schubert" Date: Fri, April 20, 2012 1:25 pm To: george at georgeretseck.com mhillman at aol.com wendy at riedy.us hsachs at alumni.rice.edu scott at langensteketee.com jsallen at bikexprt.com res1866 at yahoo.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Fellow tandemists, This is the experience of a lifetime. I was on the 2006 rendition of this event, and it was soooo well done. I suggest you look into attending. It's not cheap, but it sure is spectacular. In '06, I rode through Robert Johnson's crossroads, through the grounds of Louisiana's Angola prison (with a prison guard sharing the tandem!), down the Natchez trace parkway, and to the heart of the blues at the Ground Zero Blues Cafe in Clarksdale, Mississippi. My room on the Delta Queen had been previously used by Amy Carter, daughter of the president. Anne and I are sending in our non-binding 'yes.' This'll be good. JS -----Original Message----- From: Tandem Updates To: Schubley Sent: Thu, Apr 19, 2012 6:55 pm Subject: Steamboat a Comin' [ If you only have a minute, it's OK to skip down to the bulleted list. -Bill ] Dear Steamboat and Tandem Enthusiasts, S-t-e-a-m-boat A-Comin' was a phrase penned by Mark Twain, whose works I studied in college. In 1858, when Twain earned his pilot's license, nearly 1,000 overnight steamboats plied America's rivers. When we shared our Delta Queen voyage from Memphis to New Orleans, just three steamboats remained. Now there's only one. In 2007 the Mississippi Queen was gutted for a rebuild that never happened. Last year the MQ was scrapped. The older Delta Queen escaped the scrapyard, but lost the congressional battle that permitted her to operate. Now tied up in Chattanooga, the DQ has been reduced to a floating hotel. The grandest of America's steamboats, the American Queen had only operated eleven seasons when the owner of all three steamboats decided to throw in the towel. Repossessed and towed to Texas, the AQ might have become a gambling boat if it weren't for her steam boilers. Fortunately, a group spearheaded by former execs of the Delta Queen Steamboat Company was able to raise millions, tow the AQ back to the Mississippi and rebuild her over this past winter. LAST WEEK the American Queen re-entered service with a cruise starting from New Orleans. One of the those working for the new company is the guy who put together Santana's charters. After he called me last September, it didn't take us long to figure out that another charter wouldn't work. The AQ has twice as many rooms as the Delta Queen, and the company's week-long itineraries don't permit any of the great rides we experienced with Santana's day-shorter cruise. "But if you guys ever need to arrive in New Orleans a day early and a dollar short," I joked "I'd love to repeat the itinerary we did in 2007." Yesterday I received a call. It seems the owners of America's last steamboat have hooked a big fish. A major US corporation wants a one-week cruise out of New Orleans next April. The only catch is they want the board the boat on the afternoon of the 14th, a day earlier than allowed by the already-published schedule. When my friend asked me if I could fill a six night downriver charter from Memphis next April, I laughed. While the AQ is far more luxurious than the DQ, it's over twice as large. "What if I told you I've found another group to share the boat?" he asked. "They'd need to settle for our itinerary, and not mess with our bikes." "Done." "Who wants to share a steamboat cruise that won't stop at Vicksburg or Baton Rouge?" "Smithsonian." Suddenly this made sense. Smithsonian is the group that dropped the 2006 charter that we picked up after Katrina. Their immensely-expensive Civil War charter (also six nights) used college profs, famous authors and a quartet of big buses. With buses, Smithsonian's group wouldn't need to tie up in the normal ports. "Are you still there?" he asked. "Thinking." I replied. It didn't take long. "It can't work." I then explained to him that Santana's risk was simply too high. A year wasn't enough time to fill half a boat. Two hours later he called me back. His offer was a charter that would require Santana to fill one-third of the American Queen. When I hesitated, he gave me until Monday to decide. Jan's answer was a predictable no. In the past 30 days Santana committed to two 2013 charters with Lueftner Cruises. Although these European charters are already mostly full, Jan reminded me that we also have a few spaces left for New Zealand next March. In short, between next March and July the two of us are producing three huge tours that max out at 180 couples --- and we still need 30 couples to fill those trips. She wondered how many more couples will be interested in the Mississippi. My response was to tell her I think lots of tandem couples don't have passports, and wish to see America. I also reminded her that many of YOU, the 150 couples who shared this experience, have told us you'd love to do it again. Jan then asked me to contact YOU (vets of our Big River tours of '06 and '07) to gauge if there's enough interest to make this work. If enough of you are excited about this trip, we'll move forward. If interest is insufficient, the plan (which is barely twelve hours old) will die on Monday. Because we don't need your check (yet) your answer is easy. After you read the further deal-points below, just send us a one word reply. Deal points: ???Six nights cruise on the American Queen. ???Seven days of rides. ???Nearly the same as in '06 (which couldn't end in New Orleans). ???Closer to '07 (when we docked for an AM ride in New Orleans). ???Easier than our earlier schedules because the AQ is a bit faster. ???An extra hour for our Clarksville & Natchez Trace rides. ???Starts in Memphis on April 8, 2013. ???Ends in New Orleans with an AM ride on April 14, 2013. ???Shared boat with non-cyclists and??? ??????(possibly) single bike riders (the AQ has single-berth rooms) ???Pricing needs to be 15% higher than in '06 and '07, but??? ???AQ's staterooms are twice as quiet and ~50% larger. ???The availability of large double beds is guaranteed ???Jan also reminds me that AQ will have adequate hot water! ???America's last Steamboat was built to luxurious standards??? ??????and was completely refurbished over the past six months. ???AQ includes beer or wine with dinner. Free soft-drinks all day. Non-binding votes needed. We want to know if you are IN or OUT. While maybes can't be counted, we'll entertain longer answers. Because Jan is busy filling our European charters for 2013 (4 rooms left on Paris to Amsterdam and 15 still open on Tour de France) we need to do this by e-mail. Can we please have your IN or OUT reply by late Saturday? (If you simply ignore this we might phone you on Sunday.) Just tap a link and then send us your note -Bill and Jan McCready IN --- use this link and tap the send key (takes 2 seconds) OUT --- this link can also be used for maybe PS: While this note is only going exclusively to the couples who shared our original Mississippi cruises, if you have friends who you think might be interested in joining us, please feel free to tap the ???forward to a friend link.??? PPS: If your friends who receive this are enthusiastic, their ???IN??? vote can be tallied (thru Sunday) if they take a few seconds to type their names and a phone number into their e-email This message was sent to Schubley at aol.com from: Santana Cycles, Inc | P.O. Box 206 | La Verne, CA 91750 Email Marketing by Unsubscribe -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Yak mailing list Yak at bikefriday.com http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak End of Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 20 *********************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfharrison at gmail.com Sat Apr 21 14:58:41 2012 From: rfharrison at gmail.com (Robert F. Harrison) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 11:58:41 -1000 Subject: [Yak] NWT packed for Oregon Tour Message-ID: I've just finished packing my NWT up in it's case for a trip to Oregon and a ride down the Oregon coast from Astoria to the California border. I leave from Honolulu for Portland on Monday. I'll spend a couple of days there visiting family and then my riding parter, Erich M. (who owns a Friday but is NOT taking in on this ride - go figure), will depart. We're driving to Astoria and dropping our rental (no extra charge!!!), then heading south. We are going to be taking it slow and searching out the best in Oregon pies along the way. Last summer we ate so much pie on RAGBRAI that we've decided that besides a bike, pie is the necessary ingredient for a good tour. Our mileage varies from day to do, but we are looking to keep it right around 50 miles a day. It's mostly a credit card tour, though we will sleeping stuff to use at yurts along way at some of the parks that offer them. I'm not in charge of the route, my job was handling stuff in Portland at both ends of the tour and getting us to the coast. If you feel like following along, I'm going to try to keep a journal on crazy guy at: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/doc/oregonpie2012 My biggest challenge will be leaving the kitchen sink behind. This is especially important because I'm mostly out of shape. Because of some family emergencies I've had to spend a lot of time on the Big Island and have managed to get in almost no distance riding for the last month. Fortunately I am a bike commuter (though it's short distances) so at least I've been on a bike recently. I'm not really worried, but I know the first couple of days are going to hurt a bit. Aloha! Oregon here I come! [Rene - sorry I'll miss you - have a great time in out here!] Bob H. -- Robert Harrison rfharrison at gmail.com statrix.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Victor From hpvluver3wheels at aol.com Sun Apr 22 12:52:35 2012 From: hpvluver3wheels at aol.com (hpvluver3wheels at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Yak] Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS In-Reply-To: <8CEEBCDEB1759A2-1CF8-47454@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEEBCDEB1759A2-1CF8-47454@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CEEED898D854CC-1044-64558@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Not sure how to send this as it didn't make it to the list the first time. -----Original Message----- From: hpvluver3wheels To: yak-request Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:58 pm Subject: BOB TRAILER USERS I just bought a Bob Trailer axle for my Pocket Companion and it is too long.It is the shortest axle but still too long. I called BF and it was suggested to use washers on the frame and not to load the trailer over #20 and not go too fast as it causes twisting and you can crash. That kinda blows my plans out of the water. I wanted to use the Bob trailer probably loaded and no panniers. Or maybe 2 rear panniers with the trailer. Anyone have any experience like this or with the Bob at all.? I thought I had the perfect plan but seems like it was a really bad one. Fran, ? Be who you are and say what you feel........ Because those that matter dont mind..... And those that mind don't matter.?? AnON From chief1120 at yahoo.com Sun Apr 22 14:21:12 2012 From: chief1120 at yahoo.com (Roger Hakeman) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:21:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS In-Reply-To: <8CEEED898D854CC-1044-64558@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEEBCDEB1759A2-1CF8-47454@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <8CEEED898D854CC-1044-64558@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <1335129672.44511.YahooMailNeo@web164505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> There are folks who swear by the Bob trailers. ?I'm not one of them. ?A two-wheeled trailer distributes the load much better, and you don't have to be concerned about the stresses they put on your frame. ?Neither will they cause your bike to tip over when parked from the load. ? If for some reason you can't or don't want to use the BF case trailer, consider the Burley Nomad. ?I've used one for years with a variety of bikes and trikes now.? >>________________________________ > From: "hpvluver3wheels at aol.com" >To: YAK at BIKEFRIDAY.COM >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:52 PM >Subject: [Yak] Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS > >Not sure how to send this as it didn't make it to the list the first time. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: hpvluver3wheels >To: yak-request >Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:58 pm >Subject: BOB TRAILER USERS > > >I just bought a Bob Trailer axle for my Pocket Companion and it is too >long.It is the shortest axle but still too long.? I called BF and it >was suggested to use washers on the frame and not to load the trailer >over #20 and not go too fast as it causes twisting and you can crash. >That kinda blows my plans out of the water. I wanted to use the Bob >trailer probably loaded and no panniers. Or maybe 2 rear panniers with >the trailer. Anyone have any experience like this or with the Bob at >all.? I thought I had the perfect plan but seems like it was a really >bad one. > > >Fran, >? >Be who you are and say what you feel........ >Because those that matter dont mind..... >And those that mind don't matter.?? AnON > >_______________________________________________ >Yak mailing list >Yak at bikefriday.com >http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrejs at ozolins.com Sun Apr 22 19:28:01 2012 From: andrejs at ozolins.com (Andrejs Ozolins) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:28:01 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS In-Reply-To: <8CEEED898D854CC-1044-64558@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEEBCDEB1759A2-1CF8-47454@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <8CEEED898D854CC-1044-64558@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <4F94BE31.5080706@ozolins.com> I tried a BOB for a while. My first experience was on a tour using a "light touring" bike and it was incredibly unpleasant -- the trailer made the rear of the bike flex side to side to the point I thought the frame would break. When I got out of the saddle to pedal up a hill, it startled me how flexy the bike became. It seems pretty clear to me that that kind of treatment of the bike would eventually lead to failure of something -- frame, wheels? And, with a Bike Friday, I imagine the potential damage is greater since its frame isn't one solid unit. I've also tried the BOB on a slightly more solid-frame bike and it isn't so bad. But I figure those forces are at work even if you can't feel it. I'd rather not have it going on. On the other hand, I've used two-wheel trailers, both the Burley Nomad and the BF suitcase trailer, and they leave the bike feeling just like normal. Plus, the trailers don't fall over. I really think the suitcase trailer kit is a terrific touring solution. The suitcase holds tons of stuff, is easy to open and get things out of or put them away, and handles wonderfully. All this doesn't help you get your BOB attached to your bike; but, maybe you'll find a better sollution. Best, Andrejs On 4/22/12 3:52 PM, hpvluver3wheels at aol.com wrote: > I just bought a Bob Trailer axle for my Pocket Companion and it is too > long.It is the shortest axle but still too long. I called BF and it > was suggested to use washers on the frame and not to load the trailer > over #20 and not go too fast as it causes twisting and you can crash. > That kinda blows my plans out of the water. I wanted to use the Bob > trailer probably loaded and no panniers. Or maybe 2 rear panniers with > the trailer. Anyone have any experience like this or with the Bob at > all.? I thought I had the perfect plan but seems like it was a really > bad one. From tariksaleh at gmail.com Mon Apr 23 12:18:37 2012 From: tariksaleh at gmail.com (tarik saleh) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:18:37 -0600 Subject: [Yak] Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS In-Reply-To: <8CEEED898D854CC-1044-64558@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CEEBCDEB1759A2-1CF8-47454@webmail-m020.sysops.aol.com> <8CEEED898D854CC-1044-64558@webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Fran, What did you buy exactly? A Bob Quick release? What is your rear wheel spacing? You should be able to shorten the QR if it does not fit down, if memory serves those QR's should work from normal road to mountain bike rear spacing, but you may need to cut a bit off the Quick release to make it work if you are at the low width (126 vs 135...) . Read the manual, it should give some advice on cutting the skewer so you don't munge the threads too badly...make sure you don't have a tandem rear QR (140-165mm). Washers sounds like a bad and unneccessary solution. I have not tried a bob trailer on my BF, but I have had it on a bunch of other crappier folding bikes and found that the bob trailer worked much better on the smaller rear triangles, much better than on my road bike. The trailer works better on stiffer rear triangles. So make sure your QR where the rear triangle is attached to the frame is really well secured. . Watch the hinges and such to make sure there are no vibration related issues, but most of the negative comments you see on Bob trailers are from larger wheeled bike with lighter rear triangles. I had an admittedly thickwalled gaspipe tubed 20" folding bike I would use to carry WAY over the rated trailer weight. It worked flawlessly. There are some advantages to a single track trailer over a double wheeled trailer, when they work well with your bike they are much more fun to ride around on and are the only real choice for off road adventures. . But you need to try it to see ifi it works for you. If you can't get the QR to fit, take it to a bike shop and ask them to look at it and help you. Good luck, Tarik On Sun, Apr 22, 2012 at 1:52 PM, wrote: > Not sure how to send this as it didn't make it to the list the first time. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: hpvluver3wheels > To: yak-request > Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:58 pm > Subject: BOB TRAILER USERS > > > I just bought a Bob Trailer axle for my Pocket Companion and it is too > long.It is the shortest axle but still too long. ?I called BF and it -- Tarik Saleh tas at tariksaleh dot com in los alamos, po box 208, 87544 http://tariksaleh.com all sorts of bikes blog: http://tsaleh.blogspot.com From hpvluver3wheels at aol.com Mon Apr 23 13:31:13 2012 From: hpvluver3wheels at aol.com (hpvluver3wheels at aol.com) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Yak] Bob axle is cut Message-ID: <8CEEFA728F3E2A0-E90-55DB@webmail-d013.sysops.aol.com> When the fellow at BF told me to use washers to shim the axlebecause it was too long I couldn't figure a safe way to tighten it on the frame so after thinking a longgggg time I finally figured out it cold be cut after looking at all the threads on it. My son cut it and now it is installed like it should be. Thanks for all the info and suggestions. Glad to hear the trailer pulls ok because it seems it would be better then the Nomad. I really don't care for that trailer as things fall out the corners and it is not waterproof. Good and bad about both. I had front Arkels on the rear rack and found out that won't work as the trailer hits them when turning. I guess thats because the wheel is so small. Will just move them up front. Thank for the help. Fran, ? Be who you are and say what you feel........ Because those that matter dont mind..... And those that mind don't matter.?? Anon From hdcain at sbcglobal.net Mon Apr 23 14:29:53 2012 From: hdcain at sbcglobal.net (Harvey Cain) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 22/trailers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1335216593.31164.YahooMailRC@web180001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I have used the standard BikeFriday suitcase trailer system on? the6 week unsupported? inaugural "Underground Railroad Tour". I found this combination entirely satisfactory. For the plane trip,I put everything I needed for the trip-all clothes,personal items,tent,inflatable mattress,sleeping bag into the large soft plastic bag that BikeFriday sells to put your folded bicycle in on occasion- I think I also put the trailer wheels plus a few attachments in for convenience and better weight distrbution. Both the suitcase with the BikeFriday disassembled and the soft durable plastic bag were under 50# and transported fine. When the plane landed, I could assemble the bike and the suitcase trailer and put the plastic bag with contents in the trailer and ride to the destination. The closest I had to a problem was that it trailed so smoothly that every once in awhile I felt compelled to look around to be sure the trialer was still there!! --[ OK, I assure you that I never had to look back? to checkwhen we did the 79,000 feet of hill climbing in 3 weeks?from Mobile,Alabama to Ripley, Ohio]. I think this is a great functional way to go-- also the bike stands erect when you get off- no need to look for a support system. I have used a "Wheelie" single tire trailer that easily holds 40# with my 26" bike and that is also excellent for trailing because the trailer attaches to the seat post. Again felt compelled to look around to see if still there. Have not had occasion to use with my Bike Friday.??? hdc ________________________________ From: "yak-request at bikefriday.com" To: yak at bikefriday.com Sent: Mon, April 23, 2012 12:00:14 PM Subject: Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 22 Send Yak mailing list submissions to ??? yak at bikefriday.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? yak-request at bikefriday.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? yak-owner at bikefriday.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Yak digest..." Let's be good netizens! When replying to a digest message please remember to trim away the excess text of other messages and replies. Today's Topics: ? 1.? Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS (hpvluver3wheels at aol.com) ? 2. Re:? Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS (Roger Hakeman) ? 3. Re:? Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS (Andrejs Ozolins) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 15:52:35 -0400 (EDT) From: hpvluver3wheels at aol.com To: YAK at BIKEFRIDAY.COM Subject: [Yak] Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS Message-ID: <8CEEED898D854CC-1044-64558 at webmail-d009.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Not sure how to send this as it didn't make it to the list the first time. -----Original Message----- From: hpvluver3wheels To: yak-request Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:58 pm Subject: BOB TRAILER USERS I just bought a Bob Trailer axle for my Pocket Companion and it is too long.It is the shortest axle but still too long.? I called BF and it was suggested to use washers on the frame and not to load the trailer over #20 and not go too fast as it causes twisting and you can crash. That kinda blows my plans out of the water. I wanted to use the Bob trailer probably loaded and no panniers. Or maybe 2 rear panniers with the trailer. Anyone have any experience like this or with the Bob at all.? I thought I had the perfect plan but seems like it was a really bad one. Fran, ? Be who you are and say what you feel........ Because those that matter dont mind..... And those that mind don't matter.?? AnON ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 14:21:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Roger Hakeman To: "hpvluver3wheels at aol.com" , ??? "YAK at BIKEFRIDAY.COM" Subject: Re: [Yak] Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS Message-ID: ??? <1335129672.44511.YahooMailNeo at web164505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There are folks who swear by the Bob trailers. ?I'm not one of them. ?A two-wheeled trailer distributes the load much better, and you don't have to be concerned about the stresses they put on your frame. ?Neither will they cause your bike to tip over when parked from the load. ? If for some reason you can't or don't want to use the BF case trailer, consider the Burley Nomad. ?I've used one for years with a variety of bikes and trikes now.? >>________________________________ > From: "hpvluver3wheels at aol.com" >To: YAK at BIKEFRIDAY.COM >Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 2:52 PM >Subject: [Yak] Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS > >Not sure how to send this as it didn't make it to the list the first time. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: hpvluver3wheels >To: yak-request >Sent: Wed, Apr 18, 2012 5:58 pm >Subject: BOB TRAILER USERS > > >I just bought a Bob Trailer axle for my Pocket Companion and it is too >long.It is the shortest axle but still too long.? I called BF and it >was suggested to use washers on the frame and not to load the trailer >over #20 and not go too fast as it causes twisting and you can crash. >That kinda blows my plans out of the water. I wanted to use the Bob >trailer probably loaded and no panniers. Or maybe 2 rear panniers with >the trailer. Anyone have any experience like this or with the Bob at >all.? I thought I had the perfect plan but seems like it was a really >bad one. > > >Fran, >? >Be who you are and say what you feel........ >Because those that matter dont mind..... >And those that mind don't matter.?? AnON > >_______________________________________________ >Yak mailing list >Yak at bikefriday.com >http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2012 22:28:01 -0400 From: Andrejs Ozolins To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: Re: [Yak] Fwd: BOB TRAILER USERS Message-ID: <4F94BE31.5080706 at ozolins.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed I tried a BOB for a while. My first experience was on a tour using a "light touring" bike and it was incredibly unpleasant -- the trailer made the rear of the bike flex side to side to the point I thought the frame would break. When I got out of the saddle to pedal up a hill, it startled me how flexy the bike became. It seems pretty clear to me that that kind of treatment of the bike would eventually lead to failure of something -- frame, wheels? And, with a Bike Friday, I imagine the potential damage is greater since its frame isn't one solid unit. I've also tried the BOB on a slightly more solid-frame bike and it isn't so bad. But I figure those forces are at work even if you can't feel it. I'd rather not have it going on. On the other hand, I've used two-wheel trailers, both the Burley Nomad and the BF suitcase trailer, and they leave the bike feeling just like normal. Plus, the trailers don't fall over. I really think the suitcase trailer kit is a terrific touring solution. The suitcase holds tons of stuff, is easy to open and get things out of or put them away, and handles wonderfully. All this doesn't help you get your BOB attached to your bike; but, maybe you'll find a better sollution. Best, Andrejs On 4/22/12 3:52 PM, hpvluver3wheels at aol.com wrote: > I just bought a Bob Trailer axle for my Pocket Companion and it is too > long.It is the shortest axle but still too long.? I called BF and it > was suggested to use washers on the frame and not to load the trailer > over #20 and not go too fast as it causes twisting and you can crash. > That kinda blows my plans out of the water. I wanted to use the Bob > trailer probably loaded and no panniers. Or maybe 2 rear panniers with > the trailer. Anyone have any experience like this or with the Bob at > all.? I thought I had the perfect plan but seems like it was a really > bad one. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Yak mailing list Yak at bikefriday.com http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak End of Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 22 *********************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From erikab at ix.netcom.com Tue Apr 24 00:15:12 2012 From: erikab at ix.netcom.com (Erika Buky) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:15:12 +0100 Subject: [Yak] Bob trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For advice on a Bob trailer, why not call the manufacturer instead of Bike Friday? They make different skewers, but for bikes that can't use them for some reason (e.g., an internally geared hub), they also make Bob Nutz, which screw onto the ends of your existing axle and have attachment points for the trailer. You can order these from biketrailershop.com (among others), which is a good source of information too. FWIW, I own a Bob trailer that was a rather unexpected gift; I haven't used it much, but it seems stable enough on the road with a load of groceries, and it was bought on the advice of a very hard-core cyclist who uses one for a round trip of many miles to buy tons of stuff at Costco. Not the same as touring, but his seems to hold up to heavy use. I've bought a Greenfield kickstand for it to get around the parking problem, but I haven't installed it yet. Erika From secondwindctc at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 11:13:06 2012 From: secondwindctc at gmail.com (ken preston) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:13:06 -0500 Subject: [Yak] seat post rack Message-ID: Does anybody still have the link to a seat post rack that held one pannier? I think it was called xzoot, or something to that effect. Also any comments from a user of this rack would be appreciated. Thanks, Ken -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jym at econet.org Tue Apr 24 11:20:00 2012 From: jym at econet.org (Jym Dyer) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] seat post rack In-Reply-To: Message from ken preston of "Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:13:06 CDT." References: Message-ID: > Does anybody still have the link to a seat post rack that > held one pannier? =v= The Xootr CrossRack bike rack: bhttp://www.xootr.com/crossrack-bike-rack.html As you can see, it can fit on a Xootr scooter as well as the cross-branded Xootr version of the Swift Folder. <_Jym_> From jym at econet.org Tue Apr 24 11:25:15 2012 From: jym at econet.org (Jym Dyer) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] Bob trailer In-Reply-To: Message from Erika Buky of "Tue, 24 Apr 2012 08:15:12 BST." References: Message-ID: > They make different skewers, but for bikes that can't use > them for some reason (e.g., an internally geared hub), > they also make Bob Nutz, which screw onto the ends of your > existing axle and have attachment points for the trailer. =v= I tried out Bob Nutz but they didn't quite work for me. My bike has a 3x7 SRAM hub, with the chain indicator thing, and it jutted out too far to work. I don't know whether the newer-style clickbox would work better under those conditions. =v= The BOB trailer is ideal for off-road riding on narrow paths, but I've only successfully done that on my big-wheeled non-folding (*gasp!*) mountain bike. Otherwise I'm very happy with the BicycleR Evolution line of trailers -- and of course the Bike Friday suitcase trailer. <_Jym_> From drscalia at yahoo.com Tue Apr 24 12:34:22 2012 From: drscalia at yahoo.com (Joseph Scalia) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:34:22 -0400 Subject: [Yak] BF suitcase trailer, on trains Message-ID: <360C026C-D3CE-45FC-B877-1213C73F8C44@yahoo.com> How do you use the BF suitcase trailer when you need to use public transportation like trains where carry on luggage size is limited. Like Amtrak for example at stations that do not have baggage service Sent from my iPhone From andrejs at ozolins.com Tue Apr 24 12:56:03 2012 From: andrejs at ozolins.com (Andrejs Ozolins) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:56:03 -0400 Subject: [Yak] BF suitcase trailer, on trains In-Reply-To: <360C026C-D3CE-45FC-B877-1213C73F8C44@yahoo.com> References: <360C026C-D3CE-45FC-B877-1213C73F8C44@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4F970553.7070107@ozolins.com> On 4/24/12 3:34 PM, Joseph Scalia wrote: > How do you use the BF suitcase trailer when you need to use public transportation like trains where carry on luggage size is limited. Like Amtrak for example at stations that do not have baggage service I've never done this, but I don't think it presents a problem. On trains I've seen, Amtrak accepts normal luggage even without baggage service. There's a place to stash it on the train, and the BF suitcase is pretty normal sized luggage. You'd probably want to pull the wheels and axles off and either carry them separately or stuff them in the case. As for the bike, Amtrak's policy is that folding bikes can be taken on all trains. Do a quick-fold and take it on board. Andrejs Ithaca, NY Andrejs From bikeman.glenn at gmail.com Tue Apr 24 19:13:12 2012 From: bikeman.glenn at gmail.com (Glenn Martin) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:13:12 -0400 Subject: [Yak] photos of SE Asia Message-ID: I put 13 photos from a cycling trip in Laos and China on Flickr. There are also some pics from Cambodia and Myanmar. http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeman-glenn/sets/72157629385107120/ Some pointers: Thailand doesn't require a visa for US citizens. When we flew into Bangkok we were "stamped" for 30 days in Thailand. We stayed in Bangkok overnight and flew to Jinghong China the next day. About a week later we crossed the Mekong river by boat from Laos back into Thailand, but were only stamped for 15 days of stay in Thailand. We rode for two weeks and ran out of time, so we we took a bus to the border of Myanmar so we could exit and re-enter Thailand and get 15 more days. You can enter Myanmar at some border crossing without a visa, however you must leave your passport at the border, and it cost about US$12. There are other restrictions as well. The border crossings are few and far between. A Mynamar visa only cost about US$20, so consider getting one if you think you may need it. DC folks, the Mynamar embassy is on S street between Conn and Mass, just a few doors form the Laos embassy, and just a few blocks from Dupont Circle metro.. We arrived at Bangkok sooner than expected so I bought a package tour of Angkor Wat and Siem Reap. I didn't have a Cambodian visa, however visa's are available for US$20 at some border crossings and airports upon entry. There are expediters who will handle the visa and stamps on the Cambodian side at Poi Pet for a fee, but you have to be willing to hand your passport and money to a stranger. An expediter was included in my tour, however I had to pay extra for any special treatment. It was a Friday afternoon and the lines were really long on the Cambodia side, so I paid. I had a plate of pad thai at the resturant in the zone between the Thai and Cambodian entry points while the expediter made phone calls and took care of business. There are still statues of Buddha in some of the temples at Siem Reap. My guide requested that I wear pants that went down below me knee and button down shirts in the temples, including Angkor Wat. Make sure you have some long pants that won't cook you if you go there. Do not change US dollars for Cambodian money. US money spends just fine in Cambodia, and the locals would rather have it than the local currency. Cambodian money is only used for small change, because there are no coins. Another thing to consider is smoke. It was the dry season, and we didn't see a drop of rain for 30 days. There were wild fires in the mountains of Thailand, slash and burn in Myanmar, and sugar cane fields burning in Thailand south of Chang Mai. I rode a pocket LLama with a Grean Gear folding rack. I used a set of panniers from the 1980's that some one gave me. The cycling part of the trip ended abruptly when one of my friends slowed down in front of me and I ran into him and went down hard. I suppose it's subjective to say I went down hard, but that was my impression. Nothing broken and no stiches, but some road rash, and my left elbow and wrist will take months to recover. No damage to the bike. We were only planning on riding one more day, and then taking a train into Bangkok for the final 100k to avoid traffic. We stayed in hotels. The only reservations we had were for flights. One of the guys (there were three of us) spoke Madarin really well, and a little Thai and Lao, which was really helpful in the more rural areas. I ate at street vendors, BBQ carts, markets and roadside noodle shacks almost every day, but only had a little trouble for one day after returning to Bangkok from Cambodia. I would like to go back winter 2014. Glenn Martin, Rockville, Md, USA -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From velorambler at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 00:25:29 2012 From: velorambler at gmail.com (Neil Schneider) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:25:29 -0700 Subject: [Yak] BF suitcase trailer, on trains In-Reply-To: <360C026C-D3CE-45FC-B877-1213C73F8C44@yahoo.com> References: <360C026C-D3CE-45FC-B877-1213C73F8C44@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <088d55a91bde78ddf5abdc8c4db5f579.squirrel@webmail.linuxgeek.net> I've carried mine on Amtrak, with trailer in the case. It was overweight so I had to carry it on myself. Worked fine. I've also checked it, when I got the weight under 50 pound limit. The case itself is inside the size limit. Joseph Scalia wrote: > How do you use the BF suitcase trailer when you need to use public > transportation like trains where carry on luggage size is limited. Like Amtrak > for example at stations that do not have baggage service > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > From bikeboy999 at gmail.com Wed Apr 25 13:33:08 2012 From: bikeboy999 at gmail.com (Brian Martin) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 16:33:08 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 24 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Re: bf case on Amtrak I went to NAHBS via bus and train from Ottawa to Sacramento, return from San Diego. Greyhound charged me for 2 bags, no charge on trains. Getting on second leg at Buffalo I stashed the bags in seat area at bulk head where I sat. Train from Chicago to Sacramento was first class, had storage on main level while room was upstairs. All was fine there, the train from Sacramento to San Diego was a bit of work. The first leg was train, then bus then California train system. The bus was a bit of worry because of having two bags no assurances that they get it on same bus. Train from LA to SD was rough as you had to use bag storage on second level. Both bags came in at eighty five pounds, and my worry about them being out of my sight just made me work harder. The reason I did worry was returning last year after buying a pair of bfs one was properly marked for destination but ended up not being taken off at correct station. The bag was supposed to be taken off at Syracuse but ended up going to Schenectady. BTW in Portland they made me take stuff out of bf suitcase because it was one pound over. Buy a weigh scale and make sure you are under fifty pounds. On Apr 25, 2012 3:00 PM, wrote: > Send Yak mailing list submissions to > yak at bikefriday.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > yak-request at bikefriday.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > yak-owner at bikefriday.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Yak digest..." > > > Let's be good netizens! When replying to a digest message please remember > to trim away the excess text of other messages and replies. > > Today's Topics: > > 1. BF suitcase trailer, on trains (Joseph Scalia) > 2. Re: BF suitcase trailer, on trains (Andrejs Ozolins) > 3. photos of SE Asia (Glenn Martin) > 4. Re: BF suitcase trailer, on trains (Neil Schneider) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:34:22 -0400 > From: Joseph Scalia > To: "yak at bikefriday.com" > Subject: [Yak] BF suitcase trailer, on trains > Message-ID: <360C026C-D3CE-45FC-B877-1213C73F8C44 at yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > How do you use the BF suitcase trailer when you need to use public > transportation like trains where carry on luggage size is limited. Like > Amtrak for example at stations that do not have baggage service > > Sent from my iPhone > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 15:56:03 -0400 > From: Andrejs Ozolins > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF suitcase trailer, on trains > Message-ID: <4F970553.7070107 at ozolins.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 4/24/12 3:34 PM, Joseph Scalia wrote: > > How do you use the BF suitcase trailer when you need to use public > transportation like trains where carry on luggage size is limited. Like > Amtrak for example at stations that do not have baggage service > > > I've never done this, but I don't think it presents a problem. On trains > I've seen, Amtrak accepts normal luggage even without baggage service. > There's a place to stash it on the train, and the BF suitcase is pretty > normal sized luggage. You'd probably want to pull the wheels and axles > off and either carry them separately or stuff them in the case. As for > the bike, Amtrak's policy is that folding bikes can be taken on all > trains. Do a quick-fold and take it on board. > > Andrejs > Ithaca, NY > > Andrejs > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 22:13:12 -0400 > From: Glenn Martin > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Subject: [Yak] photos of SE Asia > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I put 13 photos from a cycling trip in Laos and China on Flickr. There are > also some pics from Cambodia and Myanmar. > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/bikeman-glenn/sets/72157629385107120/ > > Some pointers: > > Thailand doesn't require a visa for US citizens. When we flew into Bangkok > we were "stamped" for 30 days in Thailand. We stayed in Bangkok overnight > and flew to Jinghong China the next day. About a week later we crossed the > Mekong river by boat from Laos back into Thailand, but were only stamped > for 15 days of stay in Thailand. We rode for two weeks and ran out of > time, so we we took a bus to the border of Myanmar so we could exit and > re-enter Thailand and get 15 more days. You can enter Myanmar at some > border crossing without a visa, however you must leave your passport at the > border, and it cost about US$12. There are other restrictions as well. > The border crossings are few and far between. A Mynamar visa only cost > about US$20, so consider getting one if you think you may need it. > > DC folks, the Mynamar embassy is on S street between Conn and Mass, just a > few doors form the Laos embassy, and just a few blocks from Dupont Circle > metro.. > > We arrived at Bangkok sooner than expected so I bought a package tour > of Angkor Wat and Siem Reap. I didn't have a Cambodian visa, however > visa's are available for US$20 at some border crossings and airports upon > entry. There are expediters who will handle the visa and stamps on the > Cambodian side at Poi Pet for a fee, but you have to be willing to > hand your passport and money to a stranger. An expediter was included in > my tour, however I had to pay extra for any special treatment. It was a > Friday afternoon and the lines were really long on the Cambodia side, so I > paid. I had a plate of pad thai at the resturant in the zone between the > Thai and Cambodian entry points while the expediter made phone calls and > took care of business. > > There are still statues of Buddha in some of the temples at Siem Reap. My > guide requested that I wear pants that went down below me knee and button > down shirts in the temples, including Angkor Wat. Make sure you have > some long pants that won't cook you if you go there. > > Do not change US dollars for Cambodian money. US money spends just fine in > Cambodia, and the locals would rather have it than the local > currency. Cambodian money is only used for small change, because there are > no coins. > > Another thing to consider is smoke. It was the dry season, and we didn't > see a drop of rain for 30 days. There were wild fires in the mountains of > Thailand, slash and burn in Myanmar, and sugar cane fields burning in > Thailand south of Chang Mai. > > I rode a pocket LLama with a Grean Gear folding rack. I used a set of > panniers from the 1980's that some one gave me. The cycling part of the > trip ended abruptly when one of my friends slowed down in front of me and I > ran into him and went down hard. I suppose it's subjective to say I went > down hard, but that was my impression. Nothing broken and no stiches, but > some road rash, and my left elbow and wrist will take months to recover. > No damage to the bike. We were only planning on riding one more day, and > then taking a train into Bangkok for the final 100k to avoid traffic. > > We stayed in hotels. The only reservations we had were for flights. One > of the guys (there were three of us) spoke Madarin really well, and a > little Thai and Lao, which was really helpful in the more rural areas. I > ate at street vendors, BBQ carts, markets and roadside noodle shacks almost > every day, but only had a little trouble for one day after returning > to Bangkok from Cambodia. > > I would like to go back winter 2014. > > Glenn Martin, Rockville, Md, USA > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mx.bikefriday.com/pipermail/yak/attachments/20120424/20646131/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 00:25:29 -0700 > From: "Neil Schneider" > To: "Joseph Scalia" > Cc: "yak at bikefriday.com" > Subject: Re: [Yak] BF suitcase trailer, on trains > Message-ID: > <088d55a91bde78ddf5abdc8c4db5f579.squirrel at webmail.linuxgeek.net> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 > > I've carried mine on Amtrak, with trailer in the case. It was overweight > so I > had to carry it on myself. Worked fine. I've also checked it, when I got > the > weight under 50 pound limit. The case itself is inside the size limit. > > Joseph Scalia wrote: > > How do you use the BF suitcase trailer when you need to use public > > transportation like trains where carry on luggage size is limited. Like > Amtrak > > for example at stations that do not have baggage service > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > _______________________________________________ > > Yak mailing list > > Yak at bikefriday.com > > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > > End of Yak Digest, Vol 95, Issue 24 > *********************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Bobike Seat - comes with 2 sets of hardware to mount on a bike. Hard to find in the US, this comes from the Netherlands (hardware not shown, but will include) $100 (normally sells for $230) (used) http://www.flickr.com/photos/78144496 at N00/7122065979/ 2. Titec H-bar (used) $25 Multiposition bar good for mountain biking or bicycle touring. Takes mountain bike levers/shifters http://www.flickr.com/photos/78144496 at N00/6975965856/ 3. Safari Traveller hybrid bar (used) $20 Multiposition bar good for bicycle touring. Similar to bar on Novara Safari bicycle.Takes mountain bike levers/shifters http://www.flickr.com/photos/78144496 at N00/7122049391/ 4. On-One Mary Handle Bar (used) - Good for mountain bikes or upright position. Takes mountain bike shifters/levers. $30 http://www.flickr.com/photos/78144496 at N00/7122052843/ 5. Jannd Expedition Rack (used) Will admit this is rather beaten up since I used it a lot but it's great for expedition touring, it is longer so you can put the racks back further and it carries a lot. These are normally $90, selling mine for $20. Mounting hardware is installed on the rack but you will need to get screws to mount it on your bike. http://www.flickr.com/photos/78144496 at N00/6975977904/ 6. Tubus Duo Front Lowrider Rack - never used, you will need screws. This mounts on a specific type of fork, make sure you have the fork. If you are into touring you will know what this is. Normally $120, I am selling for $50. http://www.flickr.com/photos/78144496 at N00/7122055989/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrejs at ozolins.com Sun Apr 29 06:39:56 2012 From: andrejs at ozolins.com (Andrejs Ozolins) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 09:39:56 -0400 Subject: [Yak] 5-Boro bike ride? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F9D44AC.3060801@ozolins.com> Just wondering if any YAKsters are planning to attend the 5-Boro bike ride next week in New York. I wound up with a VIP ticket to the ride by joining the Livestrong fundraiser for people with cancer. (As a biking cancer survivor, I thought a bike fundraiser made sense.) It would be great if we could make a BF peloton for a while some time during the day. I'll be starting near the front because of the VIP thing, but certainly won't remain there long. I'm also going to try to stop by the Bike Friday station at the Bike Expo on Saturday. That new tikit with belt drive and an internal gear hub sounds like great bait. Andrejs (fwiw, my fundraiser page is at http://laf.livestrong.org/goto/Andrejs) From shannonhydar at gmail.com Sun Apr 29 08:01:03 2012 From: shannonhydar at gmail.com (shannonhydar at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 08:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy Message-ID: <677242298.76619.1335711665234.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreygee at yahoo.com Sun Apr 29 08:51:26 2012 From: geoffreygee at yahoo.com (Geof Gee) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:51:26 -0400 Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy In-Reply-To: <677242298.76619.1335711665234.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> References: <677242298.76619.1335711665234.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> Message-ID: <908454EF-0F7F-4785-903A-2C99E64D21C0@yahoo.com> Does the stem post rock back and forth with the brakes applied? Sent from my IPhone On Apr 29, 2012, at 11:01 AM, "shannonhydar at gmail.com" wrote: > I have a concern regarding my Llama front end severe shimmy. I first noticed this problem when reaching down to water bottle & noticed how my front wheel was "bouncing around". Since day one when riding with both hands on the flatbar I felt a "bouncing feeling thinking it was the road/ normal feel for 20" wheels, etc. > > Then VERIFIED the problem when going freehand & entire front of Llama severely vibrates back and forth (not side to side) from front wheel thru stem to handlebars but the Llama tracks straight as an arrow except for the shimmy effect. > Recommendations? > > Is this problem caused by a loose headset? I have a Cane Creek headset. Or is this just a bad BF design of the stem collar, it's normal for riding a folder? > > If this is not a loose headset; hypothesis: It seems like if there was more length of steel inside the stem collar this would possibly solve the problem. > FYI: I also have an adjustable stem riser. > > Appreciate any advice to solve this front end shimmy. > Bidon Colle > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S? II Skyrocket?, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone. >  3 I4H _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rclarke4emerson at earthlink.net Sun Apr 29 08:52:09 2012 From: rclarke4emerson at earthlink.net (=?utf-8?B?cmNsYXJrZTRlbWVyc29uQGVhcnRobGluay5uZXQ=?=) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2012 11:52:09 -0400 Subject: [Yak] =?utf-8?q?front-end_shimmy?= Message-ID: I would first check the Cane Creek head set. If it is too loose or tight, it could cause the shimmy. Richard Sent from my HTC Inspire? 4G on AT&T ----- Reply message ----- From: "shannonhydar at gmail.com" To: Cc: Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy Date: Sun, Apr 29, 2012 11:01 am I have a concern regarding my Llama front end severe shimmy. I first noticed this problem when reaching down to water bottle & noticed how my front wheel was "bouncing around". Since day one when riding with both hands on the flatbar I felt a "bouncing feeling thinking it was the road/ normal feel for 20" wheels, etc. Then VERIFIED the problem when going freehand & entire front of Llama severely vibrates back and forth (not side to side) from front wheel thru stem to handlebars but the Llama tracks straight as an arrow except for the shimmy effect. Recommendations? Is this problem caused by a loose headset? I have a Cane Creek headset. Or is this just a bad BF design of the stem collar, it's normal for riding a folder? If this is not a loose headset; hypothesis: It seems like if there was more length of steel inside the stem collar this would possibly solve the problem. FYI: I also have an adjustable stem riser. Appreciate any advice to solve this front end shimmy.Bidon Colle Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S? II Skyrocket?, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From ron at delko.net Mon Apr 30 01:03:14 2012 From: ron at delko.net (Ron Kokish) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 02:03:14 -0600 Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy In-Reply-To: <677242298.76619.1335711665234.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> References: <677242298.76619.1335711665234.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> Message-ID: <57173CC7113F49EEA091E4E7DE78A10A@Netbook> This definitely NOT a design problem. My llama rides as rock solid and stable as any other good bike. Also my wife's Llama. Loose or damaged head set is possible. Maybe the way you load it (if you are riding loaded). Maybe something else. Suggest you have a bike mechanic look at it ASAP. Could be dangerous. ********************************************************************* Ron Kokish Carbondale, Colorado (970)704-6149 ron at delko.net ********************************************************************** _____ From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On Behalf Of shannonhydar at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:01 AM To: yak at bikefriday.com Cc: shannonhydar at gmail.com Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy I have a concern regarding my Llama front end severe shimmy. I first noticed this problem when reaching down to water bottle & noticed how my front wheel was "bouncing around". Since day one when riding with both hands on the flatbar I felt a "bouncing feeling thinking it was the road/ normal feel for 20" wheels, etc. Then VERIFIED the problem when going freehand & entire front of Llama severely vibrates back and forth (not side to side) from front wheel thru stem to handlebars but the Llama tracks straight as an arrow except for the shimmy effect. Recommendations? Is this problem caused by a loose headset? I have a Cane Creek headset. Or is this just a bad BF design of the stem collar, it's normal for riding a folder? If this is not a loose headset; hypothesis: It seems like if there was more length of steel inside the stem collar this would possibly solve the problem. FYI: I also have an adjustable stem riser. Appreciate any advice to solve this front end shimmy. Bidon Colle Sent via the Samsung Galaxy ST II SkyrocketT, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Deepak From maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 01:54:21 2012 From: maheshvenkateshwaran at gmail.com (Mahesh V) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 14:24:21 +0530 Subject: [Yak] My Pocket Llama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks Deepak. Regarding the cable noise - I think this might help ( http://www.bikeszone.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10956&start=50#p121836) On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Deepak Rao wrote: > Hey, congrats. Looks great. Glad you had no duty hassles. > > Deepak > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bwogilvie at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 03:11:47 2012 From: bwogilvie at gmail.com (Brian Ogilvie) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:11:47 +0200 Subject: [Yak] My Pocket Llama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The bike looks great! I'm glad you had no problems with customs. Green Gear/Bike Friday is pretty good about replacing material that was inadvertently left out, in my experience. I'm not sure the CD is necessary though; their YouTube channel has a lot of their videos, perhaps even all of them: http://www.youtube.com/bikefriday Brian On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Mahesh V wrote: > Assembled it on saturday and went on a spin and tool some photos. > https://picasaweb.google.com/maheshvenkateshwaran/MyBikeFriday > > The bike rides great and folds even better !! -- Brian W. Ogilvie Paris, France http://www.pobox.com/~ogilvie From shannonhydar at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 03:33:05 2012 From: shannonhydar at gmail.com (shannonhydar at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 03:33:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] Front-end shimmy Message-ID: <1170312862.78147.1335781987431.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From deepak at rashminursinghome.com Mon Apr 30 04:35:46 2012 From: deepak at rashminursinghome.com (Deepak Rao) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:05:46 +0530 Subject: [Yak] My Pocket Llama In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I never got a CD either. Don't see any need for it either. From jsallen at bikexprt.com Mon Apr 30 05:52:21 2012 From: jsallen at bikexprt.com (John S. Allen) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:52:21 -0400 Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy In-Reply-To: <57173CC7113F49EEA091E4E7DE78A10A@Netbook> References: <677242298.76619.1335711665234.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> <57173CC7113F49EEA091E4E7DE78A10A@Netbook> Message-ID: Vibrating forward and backward suggests that something is loose. Another question: does this Llama have a suspension fork? That's another possible location for losseness. On Mon, April 30, 2012 4:03 am, Ron Kokish wrote: > This definitely NOT a design problem. My llama rides as rock solid and > stable as any other good bike. Also my wife's Llama. Loose or damaged head > set is possible. Maybe the way you load it (if you are riding loaded). > Maybe > something else. Suggest you have a bike mechanic look at it ASAP. Could > be > dangerous. From bikesandskis at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 07:35:55 2012 From: bikesandskis at gmail.com (Steve Davis) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 07:35:55 -0700 Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy In-Reply-To: <57173CC7113F49EEA091E4E7DE78A10A@Netbook> References: <677242298.76619.1335711665234.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> <57173CC7113F49EEA091E4E7DE78A10A@Netbook> Message-ID: <5EC0B7A8-59BF-4039-BAC8-40C6CC229EE7@gmail.com> Another thing to check--is the wheel axle nut tightened sufficiently? Doesn't need to be super tight but it does need to be snug Steve Davis On Apr 30, 2012, at 1:03 AM, "Ron Kokish" wrote: > This definitely NOT a design problem. My llama rides as rock solid and stable as any other good bike. Also my wife's Llama. Loose or damaged head set is possible. Maybe the way you load it (if you are riding loaded). Maybe something else. Suggest you have a bike mechanic look at it ASAP. Could be dangerous. > > ********************************************************************* > > Ron Kokish Carbondale, Colorado > (970)704-6149 ron at delko.net > ********************************************************************** > > > > From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On Behalf Of shannonhydar at gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:01 AM > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Cc: shannonhydar at gmail.com > Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy > > I have a concern regarding my Llama front end severe shimmy. I first noticed this problem when reaching down to water bottle & noticed how my front wheel was "bouncing around". Since day one when riding with both hands on the flatbar I felt a "bouncing feeling thinking it was the road/ normal feel for 20" wheels, etc. > > Then VERIFIED the problem when going freehand & entire front of Llama severely vibrates back and forth (not side to side) from front wheel thru stem to handlebars but the Llama tracks straight as an arrow except for the shimmy effect. > Recommendations? > > Is this problem caused by a loose headset? I have a Cane Creek headset. Or is this just a bad BF design of the stem collar, it's normal for riding a folder? > > If this is not a loose headset; hypothesis: It seems like if there was more length of steel inside the stem collar this would possibly solve the problem. > FYI: I also have an adjustable stem riser. > > Appreciate any advice to solve this front end shimmy. > Bidon Colle > > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S? 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Am sure they'll have you taken care of toot-sweet. You have the tool bag, a roll-up felt bag with gloves and some needful bits for on the road adjustment? This question may be irrelevant, as I haven't been able to review your pictures yet :D Cheers Matthew Z -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blfischer at optonline.net Mon Apr 30 12:35:24 2012 From: blfischer at optonline.net (Bennett Fischer) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:35:24 -0400 Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy Message-ID: I've heard of some bikes having a similar shimmy problem, especially when going downhill, and have heard that a possible cure is to "over-tighten" the headset just a smidge. First, adjust the headset to the optimal degree - so that there is no front-to-back play in the fork when you squeeze the front brake and rock the bike firmly back and forth on the ground, yet the fork still rotates freely. Then, tighten the headset just a smidge more, so that you might feel just the tiniest bit of resistance as the fork rotates. I've never actually had this problem on one of my own bikes, but it's a simple enough cure to try. Cheers, Bennett Fischer Brooklyn, NY > From: yak-bounces at bikefriday.com [mailto:yak-bounces at bikefriday.com] On > Behalf Of shannonhydar at gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 9:01 AM > To: yak at bikefriday.com > Cc: shannonhydar at gmail.com > Subject: [Yak] front-end shimmy > > > I have a concern regarding my Llama front end severe shimmy. I first > noticed > this problem when reaching down to water bottle & noticed how my front > wheel > was "bouncing around". Since day one when riding with both hands on the > flatbar I felt a "bouncing feeling thinking it was the road/ normal feel > for > 20" wheels, etc. > > Then VERIFIED the problem when going freehand & entire front of Llama > severely vibrates back and forth (not side to side) from front wheel thru > stem to handlebars but the Llama tracks straight as an arrow except for the > shimmy effect. > Recommendations? > > Is this problem caused by a loose headset? I have a Cane Creek headset. Or > is this just a bad BF design of the stem collar, it's normal for riding a > folder? > > If this is not a loose headset; hypothesis: It seems like if there was more > length of steel inside the stem collar this would possibly solve the > problem. > FYI: I also have an adjustable stem riser. > > Appreciate any advice to solve this front end shimmy. > Bidon Colle -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Happy riding, MIKE COYLE | Manager ================== FASTER PERMITS mike at fasterpermits.com 503.680.5497 Phone 503.296.2630 Fax PO Box 42597 Portland, OR 97242 On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM, suzanne lavine wrote: > We?re looking for a good mirror that attaches to handlebar, any > suggestions welcome.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From drscalia at yahoo.com Mon Apr 30 15:43:24 2012 From: drscalia at yahoo.com (Joseph Scalia) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:43:24 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Samsonite key? Message-ID: Is there a key that comes with the flite 31 case? I dont remember getting one. From drscalia at yahoo.com Mon Apr 30 17:01:07 2012 From: drscalia at yahoo.com (Joseph Scalia) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:01:07 -0400 Subject: [Yak] Trailer Message-ID: Up until now I have been touring with my bike Friday using panniers and racks. However I do have the Samsonite luggage case and I'm interested in trying the trailer system out. However doing research on the web I've only found negative comments regarding the trailer system. Does anyone have any good experiences using the trailer case? Sent from my iPhone From turksla at ca.rr.com Mon Apr 30 18:35:13 2012 From: turksla at ca.rr.com (Turk Family) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 18:35:13 -0700 Subject: [Yak] Do you hear a rattle on you bike? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008d01cd273a$a85bfe40$f913fac0$@ca.rr.com> I use Jagwire cables that come with neat little silicone sleeves (Tube Tops) to damp the rattle and protect the frame. I think the Tube Tops are available separately as well. http://jagwireusa.com/index.php/products/v/Tube_Tops Stephen Turk Los Angeles, CA 90045 -----Original Message----- From: Deepak Rao [mailto:deepak at rashminursinghome.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 01:32 To: yak at bikefriday.com Subject: [Yak] Do you hear a rattle on you bike? Wife and I got our NWTs a while ago, and both of us were getting a rattle on chip seal roads. Drove me nuts, but after almost a 1000km located it. It's the cables rattling agains the 'top tube' [what is it called on this bike?]. Couple of zip ties and the bikes are so silent. Just posting this in case anyone else has similar issues. Maybe BF could think of a more elegant solution? Deepak From secondwindctc at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 18:36:42 2012 From: secondwindctc at gmail.com (ken preston) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:36:42 -0500 Subject: [Yak] Trailer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joseph We've done two long trips with the BF trailer and for the most part I was happy with its performance. For us one of the key decision points whether we're going to use the trailer or panniers is related to the route of the tour, If it's a linear tour with a different start and end point we will usually use the trailer. If it's a circular route then we will usually use panniers. Our first trip using the trailers was a tour around Holland. The tour was just a little over 1200 kilometres long. About 2/3 of that distance was on bike trails or dedicated paths. Although the path were sometimes busy I felt the trailers were a good option. This was my wife's first 1000 km plus tour and she liked the trailer. My second long trip with the trailer was from Quebec city QC to St. John's NFLD. This trip was a little over 1600 kilometres. About 200 km of this trip was on trails or dedicated bike routes. The remainder was a mix of provincial roads and main highways. Usually the main highways had paved shoulders but most of the provincial roads did not. Here is my list of pluses and minuses in regards to the trailers. Plus - Shipping of the bike. I've only had one problem using the case when shipping the bike. It must have taken a very hard hit because the large chain ring had a very bad bend in it. I was able to straiten it and come to think of it that ring is still on the bike. - Packing of gear much easier in the trailer than in panniers. - Easy at the end of the day. Unclip and wheel into your accommodations. - Great if your picking up pizza or beer for the guys at the end of the day. - Easy disconnect means that if your bike needs work, flat tire etc.. It's easier than taking off all the panniers etc.. - More waterproof than most panniers. Although we still use sea-bags inside the trailer. Minus - Does cause a little extra drag as opposed to panniers. - Extra tire and tube required in your spare parts. - The track is wider so if the highway has a reasonable shoulder there is no issue. But we did have several kilometres of shoulder where the rumble strip was placed so that the left wheel of the trailer ran right on it. Very aggravating. - If your riding a trail and the access points have posts to block motor traffic, you have to be careful not to hook one of those posts with the trailer. It will stop you dead. - As I mentioned above my trailer does let a little water in if you are cycling in a storm. Waterproofing your gear inside the trailer is encouraged. - The trailer frame and wheels with the bike in the case will put me over the 50 lb limit. So if I'm taking the trailer I usually have the wheel and pedals in my second bag. Hope this helped, Ken P On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Joseph Scalia wrote: > Up until now I have been touring with my bike Friday using panniers and > racks. However I do have the Samsonite luggage case and I'm interested in > trying the trailer system out. However doing research on the web I've only > found negative comments regarding the trailer system. Does anyone have any > good experiences using the trailer case? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoffreygee at yahoo.com Mon Apr 30 20:25:05 2012 From: geoffreygee at yahoo.com (Geof Gee) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:25:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Yak] Front-end shimmy In-Reply-To: <1170312862.78147.1335781987431.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> References: <1170312862.78147.1335781987431.JavaMail.seven@ap13.p0.sjc.7sys.net> Message-ID: <1335842705.80633.YahooMailNeo@web39406.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Interesting. ?So you tested out the headset? ?As John Allen noted, you should not have forward and aft play. ?If you push really hard the stem post might bend a little bit, but generally it should be on the stiff side. ? Is this a new bike? ?If so, then after a few rides the headset needs readjustment. ? After that, the headset should be good to go for a long time. ?If it's an older bike, then you could look at some alignment issues. ? I recently put a porteur bar on my bike. ?So there is little weight on the front but there is no shimmy on my NWT. ? -G ? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "Growing up is a terribly hard thing to do. It is much easier to skip it and go from one childhood to another." F.S.F. >________________________________ > From: "shannonhydar at gmail.com" >To: yak at bikefriday.com >Cc: shannonhydar at gmail.com >Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 6:33 AM >Subject: [Yak] Front-end shimmy > > >Although I made it to the Trek LBS to have their techs hopefully diagnose the cause, here is my LLAMA details: > > >I carry no panniers up front, Easton EA flatbar (only light weight plastic "Really Useful Box" @ rear folding rack), diamond frame (heavy weight frame), my saddle is high (water bottle is almost out of reach) but so is the stem riser, son dynamo hub, Schalbe Marathon Plus 35x 406 with slime liners, Sun Dyno lite 36 spoke rims.? > > >Reading that article from Sheldon tells me if it is not a loose headset; I am basically s.o.l. because I have a tall saddle, long top tube (58cm) & long/ tall stem with no weight on front wheel!? > > >I don't know my speed when going freehand because I don't have a computer but I have pedaled out of my Alfine 11 in top gear (53t x 20t) on the flats & sprinting was useless so I increased to a 16t ratio....? > > >I ride with most of my weight on saddle because too "aggresive" position on bars numbs my hands because of bad wrist). > > >?This is the most comfortable bike I have ever owned & bicycling is a real joy again because of the SMP saddle & the Llama allowing me to have a more up right position with no numbness in wrists or groin area!? > > >Hope my "Llama set up" helps any follow ups/ concerns from you, Yaks. >I appreciate everyones' advice > > > > > > >Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S? 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However doing research on the web I've only found negative comments regarding the trailer system. Does anyone have any good experiences using the trailer case? > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > Yak mailing list > Yak at bikefriday.com > http://mx.bikefriday.com/mailman/listinfo/yak